Poor Preseason Puts Heat on Pioli, Cassel

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Originally Posted by Messier

This has been an impressive draft class.

See, this is what happens when a draft class doesn't absolutely suck ass.

The 2009 draft was so god awful that we see guys like McCluster make a couple plays - not even BIG plays - and we think "impressive!"

I'll say this much - it certainly looks like Berry, Lewis, DMC and Arenas will actually contribute, which is a far cry from completely disappearing ala scrubs like Donald Washington. But Berry may be the only true game changer.

Gotta have elite talent to win it all.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

See, this is what happens when a draft class doesn't absolutely suck ass.

The 2009 draft was so god awful that we see guys like McCluster make a couple plays - not even BIG plays - and we think "impressive!"

I'll say this much - it certainly looks like Berry, Lewis, DMC and Arenas will actually contribute, which is a far cry from completely disappearing ala scrubs like Donald Washington. But Berry may be the only true game changer.

Gotta have elite talent to win it all.

Wow. A second pearl, nay, a diamond, of wisdom. Are you and Cool han Luke collaborating?

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Wow. A second pearl, nay, a diamond, of wisdom. Are you and Cool han Luke collaborating?

Well, sac, it seems some people in this thread are comfortable with McCluster turning into Kevin Faulk, who went to 0 Pro Bowls.

That just screams elite talent, doesn't it?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Well, sac, it seems some people in this thread are comfortable with McCluster turning into Kevin Faulk, who went to 0 Pro Bowls.

That just screams elite talent, doesn't it?

I don't necessarily think that they are comfortable with him turning into Kevin Faulk. I'm pretty sure 95% of the board can't recall a single Kevin Faulk run. However, they are superbly interested in seeing him turn into Dante Hall. Do you know how kick ass their Chief's Madden team would be if that happened? One ****ing amazing juke filled breakaway for 86 yards and a TD and it does happen.

People love the highlights. The potential of highlights. McCluster and Arenas give Chiefs fans that possibility, that temptation of excitement that, frankly, hasn't been here for a number of years now. Berry is the same type of guy as well. Everyone was thrilled with the Chiefs picking a goddamn safety in the top five because of the potential for one of those 73 yard blazing interceptions returned for a touchdown. The 2010 Draft was basically Pioli trying to get the KC natives excited about football again. Potentials for big plays will do just that. They had to pick guys like that early and often to make sure that was going to happen. Realists understand that a slot receiver, a nickle back and a safety aren't really core positions that you build a championship team with. However, they offer the potential of that ESPN highlight that gets replayed 43 times over the next week.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't necessarily think that they are comfortable with him turning into Kevin Faulk. I'm pretty sure 95% of the board can't recall a single Kevin Faulk run. However, they are superbly interested in seeing him turn into Dante Hall. Do you know how kick ass their Chief's Madden team would be if that happened? One ****ing amazing juke filled breakaway for 86 yards and a TD and it does happen.

People love the highlights. The potential of highlights. McCluster and Arenas give Chiefs fans that possibility, that temptation of excitement that, frankly, hasn't been here for a number of years now. Berry is the same type of guy as well. Everyone was thrilled with the Chiefs picking a goddamn safety in the top five because of the potential for one of those 73 yard blazing interceptions returned for a touchdown. The 2010 Draft was basically Pioli trying to get the KC natives excited about football again. Potentials for big plays will do just that. They had to pick guys like that early and often to make sure that was going to happen. Realists understand that a slot receiver, a nickle back and a safety aren't really core positions that you build a championship team with. However, they offer the potential of that ESPN highlight that gets replayed 43 times over the next week.

Right.

Because Troy Polamalu doesn't impact the Steelers.
And Wes Welker doesn't make the Patriots a lot better.

They're just there for the highlight reels.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Right.

Because Troy Polamalu doesn't impact the Steelers.
And Wes Welker doesn't make the Patriots a lot better.

They're just there for the highlight reels.

All JC did was make highlight reel runs last year, he is a bust.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Right.

Because Troy Polamalu doesn't impact the Steelers.
And Wes Welker doesn't make the Patriots a lot better.

They're just there for the highlight reels.

Excellent job. You take the very best players at their respective positions and make a case for that position across the board for the entire NFL.

Tony Gonzalez contributed mightly for the Chiefs. Stephen Jackson makes the Rams a whole lot better. Calvin Johnson provides impact for the Lions.

You got to have the core solidified before situational position players can have a significant impact on the game. Your team has to be able to compete so when that break away, freak touchdown run, return or interception happens, it has significance and impact rather than being the six points for the losing team in a 42-7 game.

Dig?

(And I'm glad/happy with the picks. Chiefs have sucked mightly at Berry, McCluster and Arenas' positions for the last five years. But they've also suck at both lines, quarterback, linebacker and receiver for the same amount of time. I'd rather have those positions be the "good players" positions on the team versus slot, nickle and safety.)

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Excellent job. You take the very best players at their respective positions and make a case for that position across the board for the entire NFL.

Tony Gonzalez contributed mightly for the Chiefs. Stephen Jackson makes the Rams a whole lot better. Calvin Johnson provides impact for the Lions.

You got to have the core solidified before situational position players can have a significant impact on the game. Your team has to be able to compete so when that break away, freak touchdown run, return or interception happens, it has significance and impact rather than being the six points for the losing team in a 42-7 game.

Dig?

(And I'm glad/happy with the picks. Chiefs have sucked mightly at Berry, McCluster and Arenas' positions for the last five years. But they've also suck at both lines, quarterback, linebacker and receiver for the same amount of time. I'd rather have those positions be the "good players" positions on the team versus slot, nickle and safety.)

I don't dig.

Because you're STILL trying to build the case that the Chiefs should have drafted Okung over Berry. It was dumb then, and it's still dumb today.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't necessarily think that they are comfortable with him turning into Kevin Faulk. I'm pretty sure 95% of the board can't recall a single Kevin Faulk run. However, they are superbly interested in seeing him turn into Dante Hall. Do you know how kick ass their Chief's Madden team would be if that happened? One ****ing amazing juke filled breakaway for 86 yards and a TD and it does happen.

People love the highlights. The potential of highlights. McCluster and Arenas give Chiefs fans that possibility, that temptation of excitement that, frankly, hasn't been here for a number of years now. Berry is the same type of guy as well. Everyone was thrilled with the Chiefs picking a goddamn safety in the top five because of the potential for one of those 73 yard blazing interceptions returned for a touchdown. The 2010 Draft was basically Pioli trying to get the KC natives excited about football again. Potentials for big plays will do just that. They had to pick guys like that early and often to make sure that was going to happen. Realists understand that a slot receiver, a nickle back and a safety aren't really core positions that you build a championship team with. However, they offer the potential of that ESPN highlight that gets replayed 43 times over the next week.

you're still upset we didn't draft Brokung....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah, I was thinking that since the Whitlock departure, the Kansas City Sports press was really lacking a complete and utter dildo whose literary acumen, wit and insight is akin to a peyote stuffed chimp hammering away at a keyboard. If anyone can step into that void, C.E. most certainly has as much potential as anyone.

Can we start a "Bring back Jason" petition?

The void must be filled. And filled it shall be. Deal with it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

See, this is what happens when a draft class doesn't absolutely suck ass.

The 2009 draft was so god awful that we see guys like McCluster make a couple plays - not even BIG plays - and we think "impressive!"

I'll say this much - it certainly looks like Berry, Lewis, DMC and Arenas will actually contribute, which is a far cry from completely disappearing ala scrubs like Donald Washington. But Berry may be the only true game changer.

Gotta have elite talent to win it all.

But it's not just Chiefs' fans. It's Peter King, our biggest critic. It's lots of these sports writers and experts who think the kid's going to be something special. I get that you want to see more from him before saying he'll be a game-changer, I just don't like the way you're using his preseason performance as if it's some sort of indication that he's not what he was advertised to be. He's shown more than enough flash of electricity--if you can't see that or still think that he probably doesn't have the upside to be a game changer, then you're blind.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I just don't like the way you're using his preseason performance as if it's some sort of indication that he's not what he was advertised to be.

He hasn't done anything yet lined up as a wide receiver.

He needs to be more than a guy coming out of the backfield catching screen passes and flares.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it's not just Chiefs' fans. It's Peter King, our biggest critic. It's lots of these sports writers and experts who think the kid's going to be something special. I get that you want to see more from him before saying he'll be a game-changer, I just don't like the way you're using his preseason performance as if it's some sort of indication that he's not what he was advertised to be. He's shown more than enough flash of electricity--if you can't see that or still think that he probably doesn't have the upside to be a game changer, then you're blind.

I have yet to see anyone who is actually paid to give their opinion on the NFL bash the McCluster pick.

I am sure there is blurb out there somewhere right after the draft but most has been glowing praise.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I have yet to see anyone who is actually paid to give their opinion on the NFL bash the McCluster pick.

Did you read the article in the OP?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Did you read the article in the OP?

Damn, ya got me.