Chiefs Why are the Chargers that much better? - Page 2

synthesis2 · 09-08-2010, 04:58 PM

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes.

Comparisons:

QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best)
RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo)
WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B-
Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B
TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick)
DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+
LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B
Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+
Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A
coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord)

I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Haley and Norv are both great OCs. Head coaches? Meh.

I wouldn't call Haley a "great" offensive coordinator. He was the OC in name only in 2007 and while the 2008 Cardinals had a potent offense, he had a HOF QB and WR on that squad (with Whisenhunt looking over his shoulder).

Haley certainly didn't look "great" last year and Norv in his time in the NFL has done a good job with far less talent.

It's hard to dispute Norv's success in Dallas as an OC and in San Diego as a head coach.

Has he won a Super Bowl as a head coach? No. But he certainly isn't near as bad as he's made out to be on Chiefsplanet.

**DeezNutz** · 09-08-2010, 05:13 PM

It's amazing how important that one area in which they're ridiculously better than us is, huh?

And I agree with Dane. Norv gets labeled as a ****ing moron, but that's hardly accurate.

**The Franchise** · 09-08-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I wouldn't call Haley a "great" offensive coordinator. He was the OC in name only in 2007 and while the 2008 Cardinals had a potent offense, he had a HOF QB and WR on that squad.

He certainly didn't look "great" last year and Norv in his time in the NFL has done a good job with far less talent.

It's hard to dispute Norv's success in Dallas as an OC and in San Diego as a head coach. Has he won a Super Bowl? No. But he certainly isn't near as bad as he's made out to be on Chiefsplanet.

I think Haley has the great OC part in him......he just hasn't shown it in KC so far.

And if you're going to say that Haley had a HOF QB and WR on that squad.....then you also have to mention that Turner had Aikman and Smith on his team.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:16 PM

Simply the QB my friend.

rad · 09-08-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Why? The QB who is throwing the ball to him....is only a B.

B+ to A minus tops. Why, do you think he should be higher? Rivers is a top 10 QB sure, but not let's fellate the guy.

**The Franchise** · 09-08-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

B+ to A minus tops. Why, do you think he should be higher? Rivers is a top 10 QB sure, but not let's fellate the guy.

I would give my left ****ing nut to have Rivers as our QB.

Brock · 09-08-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

B+ to A minus tops. Why, do you think he should be higher? Rivers is a top 10 QB sure, but not let's fellate the guy.

Uh, he's right behind Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would give my left ****ing nut to have Rivers as our QB.

Rivers is the only reason that team is still competing. and for as long as he's there, the Chargers will be in the hunt.

We have better backs. We have better starting Wr's right now, but less depth. Better starting DB's, but less depth. Better pass rushing OLB, but that's it. We lose every where else. except for Punter.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I think Haley has the great OC part in him......he just hasn't shown it in KC so far.

And if you're going to say that Haley had a HOF QB and WR on that squad.....then you also have to mention that Turner had Aikman and Smith on his team.

The difference being that was Haley's ONLY experience as an OC. Norv had some pretty decent offenses with Trent Green and Philip Rivers, not to mention his stint in Miami.

I'm skeptical of one's qualifications based on one single season.

rad · 09-08-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would give my left ****ing nut to have Rivers as our QB.

OK, that's fine, but you seem to mock the OP's designation of a B/B+......why? I acknowledge he's a good QB, but not left nut good. He's kind of a bitch, and he's not the carry-the-team type.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-08-2010, 05:25 PM

I would rather have Mathews and Sproles than Jones and Charles.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The difference being that was Haley's ONLY experience as an OC. Norv had some pretty decent offenses with Trent Green and Philip Rivers, not to mention his stint in Miami.

I'm skeptical of one's qualifications based on one single season.

He was also the passing game coordinator for Dallas.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Rivers is the only reason that team is still competing. and for as long as he's there, the Chargers will be in the hunt.

We have better backs. We have better starting Wr's right now, but less depth. Better starting DB's, but less depth. Better pass rushing OLB, but that's it. We lose every where else. except for Punter.

I don't buy that KC has better wide receivers. Chambers was dumped by San Diego and Dwayne Bowe, IMO, is starting from scratch. His 2009 was shit and it's yet to be seen whether or not his new found "seriousness" actually translates.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I would rather have Mathews and Sproles than Jones and Charles.

Yeah but you're stupid.

Psyko Tek · 09-08-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would give my left ****ing nut to have Rivers as our QB.

but would you fella.. fell iast

blow him

09-08-2010, 04:58 PM
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9255401	Why are the Chargers that much better? I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes. Comparisons: QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best) RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo) WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B- Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick) DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+ LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+ Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord) I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.
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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	I would rather have Mathews and Sproles than Jones and Charles. __________________ “(Sean) Payton feels as strongly about Bo Nix as he did Mahomes.“ - Adam Schefter
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