Chiefs Reflections on a Rat****ing - Page 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

But not by the refs

First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend.

Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel.

I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed
tackles.

I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself
out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop.

Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD.

If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game
changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds.

The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the
previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be.

Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson?

DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game.

Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time.

The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown.

That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.

**wazu** · 10-17-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

How could you possibly bad mouth Cassel today?

Game was in his hands at the end. He threw two absolutely horrible passes to open receivers, pissing away time and downs and not even giving us a chance. On the last play he didn't even manage to get the ball out of his own hands with time expired.

**Donger** · 10-17-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah. I usually type up responses on the game as a whole post mortem and move them over. Avoids post whoring during the game threads.

Interesting. Nice summation, BTW.

Thig Lyfe · 10-17-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

How could you possibly bad mouth Cassel today?

Because he played like shit when the game was on the line?

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-17-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

How could you possibly bad mouth Cassel today?

Every loss is Cassel's fault. Please catch up.

Molitoth · 10-17-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

How could you possibly bad mouth Cassel today?

I hate Cassel and I think he did an alright job today. He put the team in position to win, and the defensive gameplan by Crennel totally dicked us. The refs missed calls were also not helpful.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

It's pretty easy, he choked when the pressure was on. When the pressure was moderate, he was ok today. When it got turned up, he wilted.

Like Hamas said, that's the difference. Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton can pass for a bunch of garbage yards in meaningless lions games too, but when they got close today and the last few weeks, those guys choked too.

Stick to politics ****tard how many third downs did he convert today?

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 02:37 PM

So when your defense gives up 4 straight touchdowns it's the QBs fault the team loses? This is amazing logic.

Coach · 10-17-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

They dont trust Cassel, yet they had him try a low pct. throw on the most critical play of the game??

This. Absolutely this. On a 3rd and two, and they tried to get a 15 yarder.

Logic Fail.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 02:38 PM

It's becoming apparent they know something about the defense that we didn't know 2 straight games they go for it on 4th down in the red zone.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:38 PM

FWIW, don't think of this as a piss on Matt Cassel thread. He failed when we needed him the most, but does that really surprise anyone? I just think it's foolish to praise someone who put up 3 quarters of great dink and dunk stats who shrivels when he has to make a difficult throw.

Yes, the 3rd and 2 call was a low percentage play. Yes, running it was the better choice. But with that having been said, Cassel had good protection a receiver in single coverage against a shitty safety and he had him if he put the ball there. It wasn't a terribly difficult throw.

Yes, the defense deserves blame, but when you play against a good QB with dynamic receivers and you have one pass rusher on the roster, that is what happens.

tk13 · 10-17-2010, 02:39 PM

I don't think Cassel is a franchise guy but he clearly played well enough to win today. He plays like he did today and we will make the playoffs. That 3rd and 2 was a tough call. Have somebody run right and throw across his body to the left across the field is a tough play for anyone. Why not go back to the slant or any of the 8 million plays over the middle that were open... or if you have to roll him out bring Moaeki to his side of the field. Anybody blaming him for that last Hail Mary needs to swallow a running chainsaw. They rushed 3 guys and Richardson gets beat right off the line.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

So when your defense gives up 4 straight touchdowns it's the QBs fault the team loses? This is amazing logic.

I hate Cassel as much as anyone but he didn't lose this game the D did and they were playing 11 on 12

Thig Lyfe · 10-17-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

So when your defense gives up 4 straight touchdowns it's the QBs fault the team loses? This is amazing logic.

Nobody is saying the defense isn't to blame. But let's not pretend like Cassel came through in the clutch. He didn't. He just doesn't have what it takes to pull a game out.

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-17-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

They dont trust Cassel, yet they had him try a low pct. throw on the most critical play of the game??

and when they did he ass****ed the offense all the way to buttrapedville population Cassel + offense.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 02:40 PM

Hamas is right the pass rush is ****ing pathetic and I think the lack of a Nose Tackle is starting to show.

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	Reflections on a Rating But not by the refs First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend. Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel. I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed tackles. I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop. Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD. If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds. The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be. Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson? DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game. Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time. The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-992442	So when your defense gives up 4 straight touchdowns it's the QBs fault the team loses? This is amazing logic.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-992442	It's becoming apparent they know something about the defense that we didn't know 2 straight games they go for it on 4th down in the red zone.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	FWIW, don't think of this as a piss on Matt Cassel thread. He failed when we needed him the most, but does that really surprise anyone? I just think it's foolish to praise someone who put up 3 quarters of great dink and dunk stats who shrivels when he has to make a difficult throw. Yes, the 3rd and 2 call was a low percentage play. Yes, running it was the better choice. But with that having been said, Cassel had good protection a receiver in single coverage against a shitty safety and he had him if he put the ball there. It wasn't a terribly difficult throw. Yes, the defense deserves blame, but when you play against a good QB with dynamic receivers and you have one pass rusher on the roster, that is what happens. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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10-17-2010, 02:39 PM	#26
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1687500	I don't think Cassel is a franchise guy but he clearly played well enough to win today. He plays like he did today and we will make the playoffs. That 3rd and 2 was a tough call. Have somebody run right and throw across his body to the left across the field is a tough play for anyone. Why not go back to the slant or any of the 8 million plays over the middle that were open... or if you have to roll him out bring Moaeki to his side of the field. Anybody blaming him for that last Hail Mary needs to swallow a running chainsaw. They rushed 3 guys and Richardson gets beat right off the line.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-992442	Hamas is right the pass rush is ****ing pathetic and I think the lack of a Nose Tackle is starting to show.
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