Chiefs Reflections on a Rat****ing - Page 4

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

But not by the refs

First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend.

Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel.

I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed
tackles.

I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself
out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop.

Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD.

If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game
changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds.

The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the
previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be.

Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson?

DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game.

Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time.

The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown.

That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Dude, I dislike Cassel as much as anybody but he played a great game. Sure he stunk it up on the final drive but you can't really expect any quarterback to drive down the field and score with the amount of time we had to work with. I realize we were playing a bad pass d but come on.

I don't think anyone was expecting us to score a TD on that drive. That said, you don't get easier throws than the two he missed, and missing those did cost us.

We had maybe a 4% chance of a TD in that situation. Missing those two throws took it down to .5%

Again, this game should show you the difference between a game manager and a franchise QB. Cassel managed the hell out of this game, given that he was put in the absolute easiest possible position throughout its entirety. There was one point where he was in a tough spot, and he folded.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-17-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Dude, I dislike Cassel as much as anybody but he played a great game. Sure he stunk it up on the final drive but you can't really expect any quarterback to drive down the field and score with the amount of time we had to work with. I realize we were playing a bad pass d but come on.

Horne was wide open.

He threw behind Bowe and Moeaki.

If the Chiefs had a competent QB, they would have been in the Red Zone, if not scored the winning TD, when the game ended.

milkman · 10-17-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Dude, I dislike Cassel as much as anybody but he played a great game. Sure he stunk it up on the final drive but you can't really expect any quarterback to drive down the field and score with the amount of time we had to work with. I realize we were playing a bad pass d but come on.

The biggest complaint is the third down pass that he missed badly when we needed to run out the clock.

But at the end of the day, this loss falls squarely on a defense that couldn't get the job done.

This will be a problem for this team against teams that has the ability to both run and pass.

Mecca · 10-17-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

We knew Cassel was a hole on this team.

However, this game did not show him as a weakness.

It's becoming a broken record around here. There's a ton of posters (not you Hamas) that only post when Cassel has a shitty play. I rarely see the ones that rag on him post when he's played well. It's like the Mecca rule around here.

Never, ever do I see anything positive regarding the QB.

This game showed that we need a #2 WR, a nose guard, another rush linebacker. We knew we needed a QB a long time ago.

Cassel has his best game, and some want to put some of the blame on him for this one. This offense scored 31 on the road and it was on the defense to hold a lead and they couldn't.

Yea cause you know that's what I said today.

tk13 · 10-17-2010, 03:06 PM

Another thing... we need to be able to line up on offense. There were a few occasions today where Cassel would spend most of the pre-snap directing guys where to go instead of trying to read the defense. We're 6 weeks into the season, we should be better than that.

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Another thing... we need to be able to line up on offense. There were a few occasions today where Cassel would spend most of the pre-snap directing guys where to go instead of trying to read the defense. We're 6 weeks into the season, we should be better than that.

This is a good point, and Cassel did a nice job, at times, directing traffic. McCluster, I can understand. Bowe, however, cannot still be having these problems.

Jerm · 10-17-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Another thing... we need to be able to line up on offense. There were a few occasions today where Cassel would spend most of the pre-snap directing guys where to go instead of trying to read the defense. We're 6 weeks into the season, we should be better than that.

And it cost us one TO that would've been crucial to have on that last drive.

milkman · 10-17-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Is it just me or is that every time we try a hail mary our o-line can't block a 2-3 man rush.

This has been a problem even going back to the days of Vermeil.

It doesn't make sense.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Horne was wide open.

He threw behind Bowe and Moeaki.

If the Chiefs had a competent QB, they would have been in the Red Zone, if not scored the winning TD, when the game ended.

You're crazy. Just checked we had :22 seconds left with 1 TO and and at the 39 yd line.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-17-2010, 03:08 PM

Spot on in this thread, Hamas.

Coach · 10-17-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

And it cost us one TO that would've been crucial to have on that last drive.

Wasn't that the same drive where KC got penalized for delay of game?

JoeyChuckles · 10-17-2010, 03:09 PM

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Coach · 10-17-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You're crazy. Just checked we had :22 seconds left with 1 TO and and at the 39 yd line.

But the throw to Horne was a corner route, and if Horne caught that, assuming he's smart, he would had gotten out of bounds. That would have been what, a 15 yard pick up, give or take?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-17-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You're crazy. Just checked we had :22 seconds left with 1 TO and and at the 39 yd line.

So, you think it's impossible for a QB to throw a 19 yard pass in 22 seconds to get to the Red Zone?

Are you joking or high?

Jerm · 10-17-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Wasn't that the same drive where KC got penalized for delay of game?

Yup...it was coming off said TO.

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	Reflections on a Rating But not by the refs First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend. Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel. I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed tackles. I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop. Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD. If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds. The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be. Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson? DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game. Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time. The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.
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