Chiefs Reflections on a Rat****ing - Page 10

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

But not by the refs

First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend.

Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel.

I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed
tackles.

I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself
out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop.

Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD.

If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game
changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds.

The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the
previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be.

Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson?

DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game.

Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time.

The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown.

That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.

milkman · 10-17-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

It would have been looked like a risky call.

It was a high reward high risk play. The safe play would have to run it or throw a safe pass. You just need 2 yds not 30

The problem is that Cassel decided he was going to Moeaki from snap.

He never looked anywhere else.

But even that would not have mattered had he thrown the ball in front of Moeaki and the safety, because Moeaki had position.

It was a pathetic pass, plain and simple.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

How many third and short yardage situations had they converted by running the ball?

The Texans had stuffed us on nearly every third and short run throughout the game.

Almost every third down conversion came via the pass.

In my mind why not run it and if you don't get it go for it on 4th down

KC kid · 10-17-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

In my mind why not run it and if you don't get it go for it on 4th down

Probably would have run some more time off the clock too, but noooooo we wanna pass. Look, he is not Peyton Manning. He should not have to be for people to think he had a good game

milkman · 10-17-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

In my mind why not run it and if you don't get it go for it on 4th down

Not in that position at that point in the game.

You convert or punt.

There is no other option.

KC kid · 10-17-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

In my mind why not run it and if you don't get it go for it on 4th down

Especially since we had not stopped them in 3 straight possessions. Once I saw Colquitt, I knew we had lost.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The problem is that Cassel decided he was going to Moeaki from snap.

He never looked anywhere else.

But even that would not have mattered had he thrown the ball in front of Moeaki and the safety, because Moeaki had position.

It was a pathetic pass, plain and simple.

He would have had to throw it short because Wilson was right there to make the play. But a LB was a few yds in front of Moeki so he had to get it over him.

ChiefsCountry · 10-17-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

In my mind why not run it and if you don't get it go for it on 4th down

Play action was the right call, just the wrong execution.

milkman · 10-17-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KC kid

Probably would have run some more time off the clock too, but noooooo we wanna pass. Look, he is not Peyton Manning. He should not have to be for people to think he had a good game

The clock is the one reall good argument that can be made for running in that situation.

But the fact is, even if you run the ball when you fail to convert, you are still going to leave enough time on the clock for the Texans to mount a drive.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Not in that position at that point in the game.

You convert or punt.

There is no other option.

I don't know. If your D isn't stopping them and your O only needs 2 yds and has been running at huge clips all day long I think they could get 2 yds in 2 plays to end the game.

It is kind of like how the 2003-2004 Chiefs Offense had to play because they couldn't trust the d.

milkman · 10-17-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

He would have had to throw it short because Wilson was right there to make the play. But a LB was a few yds in front of Moeki so he had to get it over him.

Cassel was making good throws all day.

He picked a terrible time to revert to Crapsel.

KC kid · 10-17-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The clock is the one reall good argument that can be made for running in that situation.

But the fact is, even if you run the ball when you fail to convert, you are still going to leave enough time on the clock for the Texans to mount a drive.

but you make them use a timeout or run it to the 2 min warning. Of course, the way the D played, they only needed 60 seconds. The gone in 60 seconds defense today

**Bearcat** · 10-17-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're ****ing stupid.

Cassel is paid $15 million dollars a year to WIN games for the Chiefs, not shit the bed.

He shit the bed on the final possession, plain and simple.

Eh, I wouldn't blame any QB for not driving 61 yards in :28 for a GW TD... yeah, Cassel shit the bed on that drive, but winning the game at that point is a lofty expectation, if not a unreasonable one, for any quarterback.

milkman · 10-17-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't know. If your D isn't stopping them and your O only needs 2 yds and has been running at huge clips all day long I think they could get 2 yds in 2 plays to end the game.

It is kind of like how the 2003-2004 Chiefs Offense had to play because they couldn't trust the d.

You simply don't risk leaving them that short a field.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Play action was the right call, just the wrong execution.

I am not opposed to a play action pass just not the one we ran.

KC kid · 10-17-2010, 04:51 PM

People make too much a fuss about what Cassel makes. There are lots of highly paid players on that D that choked the game away. People just can't stand Cassel because of personal prejudice and do not even WANT to see him succeed

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7219572	Reflections on a Rating But not by the refs First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend. Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel. I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed tackles. I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop. Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD. If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds. The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be. Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson? DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game. Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time. The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.
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KC kid Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $10004940	People make too much a fuss about what Cassel makes. There are lots of highly paid players on that D that choked the game away. People just can't stand Cassel because of personal prejudice and do not even WANT to see him succeed
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