Chiefs Reflections on a Rat****ing - Page 17

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

But not by the refs

First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend.

Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel.

I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed
tackles.

I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself
out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop.

Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD.

If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game
changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds.

The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the
previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be.

Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson?

DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game.

Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time.

The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown.

That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You remember incorrectly.

There was nothing wrong with the route. Cassel overthrew him badly.

I like our chances a lot more if we're sitting 1st down at Houston's 40 with 20 seconds and a time out left.

Cassel overthrew him but your timing is off

We got the ball at our 39 with 22 seconds left.

The first short incomplete pass to Bowe left us with 18 seconds

The incomplete pass to Horne left us with 13 seconds

We ended up on their 38 with 4 seconds left and everyone's hero Barry Richardson completely whiffed on his block

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(:22) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass incomplete short middle to 82-D.Bowe.
2-10-KC 39 (:18) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Horne.
3-10-KC 39 (:13) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass short middle to 25-J.Charles to HST 38 for 23 yards (31-B.Pollard).
Timeout #3 by KC at 00:04.
1-10-HOU 38 (:04) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel sacked at 50 for -12 yards (91-A.Okoye).

milkman · 10-17-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

easy to do when you aren't getting pressure on the QB.

where was Hali? I know lenny mentioned the lack of pressure on schaub thorughout the game.

The Texans did a great job of scheming to force Hali to fight through traffic on every single snap.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-17-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He was wide ****ing open and Cassel threw the ball 4 foot above his head.

I'll have to see the tv replay...Didn't look as overthrown as some describe. Again...I hate Cassel.

Still think Horne ducked up and has to adjust to a ball thrown to a spot.

FAX · 10-17-2010, 07:22 PM

The Vixens' offense is really damn good. They have weapons and they're not afraid to use them. Plus, their offensive line never holds an opposing player. Ever. Not even on runs to the left that gain 20 yards.

Although, for our part, we shouldn't forget just how abysmal the Vixens' secondary and overall pass defense has been. One would expect some success against those guys.

But, so far as I'm concerned, Mutt Cassblow is not off the hook. The word Lenny used today was "composure" ... sadly, Cassclump remains a little light in that department.

I do have to say, however ... in all fairness ... that he did a good job in certain situations today ... a couple of really nice throws and a couple of good decisions. Just enough to make you want to believe in fairies and the little brownie man who lives in the woodpile ...

FAX

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-17-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

easy to do when you aren't getting pressure on the QB.

where was Hali? I know lenny mentioned the lack of pressure on schaub thorughout the game.

Held most of the time it seemed. Doubled.

Silock · 10-17-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KC kid

People make too much a fuss about what Cassel makes. There are lots of highly paid players on that D that choked the game away. People just can't stand Cassel because of personal prejudice and do not even WANT to see him succeed

Bullshit. I want him to succeed. Everyone does.

We just know he can't because he sucks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-17-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

I'll have to see the tv replay...Didn't look as overthrown as some describe. Again...I hate Cassel.

Still think Horne ducked up and has to adjust to a ball thrown to a spot.

How can you adjust to a ball that's thrown four foot over your head?

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Held most of the time it seemed.

We need to move past this excuse.

FAX · 10-17-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

easy to do when you aren't getting pressure on the QB.

where was Hali? I know lenny mentioned the lack of pressure on schaub thorughout the game.

It has become a weary, old tune, Mr. stevieray, but Hali was grabbed everywhere but on the ass today ... and that's only because his ass is so tight.

Our defense stepped in it today, though. I was surprised that we didn't blitz more often. Come with the corner or safety or somebody, maybe. I trust Romeo, though. I'm sure he had his reasons.

This was a game that, in my mind, was similar in many ways to the Mannings game ... we're playing tough on the road and coming up just a tad short. But overall, I'm encouraged and know that, we could have emerged victorious with a single pick or fumble recovery ... and Flowers almost gave it to us.

We're getting better ... and fast. This team is real and they don't like losing anymore.

FAX

FAX · 10-17-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We need to move past this excuse.

I don't see it as an "excuse" though, Mr. DeezNutz. It is what it is.

Regardless of the reasons, though, if Hali can't get to the enemy QB, we need to give him some help. I would gladly suit up and, if necessary, start grabbing junk, by God.

FAX

stevieray · 10-17-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

It has become a weary, old tune, Mr. stevieray, but Hali was grabbed everywhere but on the ass today ... and that's only because his ass is so tight.

Our defense stepped in it today, though. I was surprised that we didn't blitz more often. Come with the corner or safety or somebody, maybe. I trust Romeo, though. I'm sure he had his reasons.

This was a game that, in my mind, was similar in many ways to the Mannings game ... we're playing tough on the road and coming up just a tad short. But overall, I'm encouraged and know that, we could have emerged victorious with a single pick or fumble recovery ... and Flowers almost gave it to us.

We're getting better ... and fast. This team is real and they don't like losing anymore.

FAX

I hear ya, man.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-17-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We need to move past this excuse.

I wasnt making an excuse for the loss, but I was stating a fact. He was held. On several occasions.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-17-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How can you adjust to a ball that's thrown four foot over your head?

**** off.

FAX · 10-17-2010, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC kid

People make too much a fuss about what Cassel makes. There are lots of highly paid players on that D that choked the game away. People just can't stand Cassel because of personal prejudice and do not even WANT to see him succeed

And there's the rub, Mr. KC kid.

Casscan has lost my support. I was very much in favor of him becoming a successful quarterback for a long time ... most of last season, in fact. And, even today, were he to douse himself with magic splooge and somehow transform himself into a true, dependable, reliable, consistent QB, I'd support him again. I just don't believe it's possible anymore.

So, speaking for myself, I'm kinda stuck. I'd like him to perform better, yet I fear that, were he to do so, he would remain our quarterback and we would forestall the decision to improve at that position. That's the problem.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

I wasnt making an excuse for the loss, but I was stating a fact. He was held. On several occasions.

I know you weren't. What I am saying, though, is that it's my belief that fans of every team with a decent pass rusher post the same thing.

"___ was held all game!"

It's not as if the league has some extra special vendetta against Hali. Unless, of course, the commissioner wishes to see FAX grab sacks.

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	Reflections on a Rating But not by the refs First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend. Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel. I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed tackles. I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop. Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD. If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds. The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be. Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson? DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game. Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time. The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	The Vixens' offense is really damn good. They have weapons and they're not afraid to use them. Plus, their offensive line never holds an opposing player. Ever. Not even on runs to the left that gain 20 yards. Although, for our part, we shouldn't forget just how abysmal the Vixens' secondary and overall pass defense has been. One would expect some success against those guys. But, so far as I'm concerned, Mutt Cassblow is not off the hook. The word Lenny used today was "composure" ... sadly, Cassclump remains a little light in that department. I do have to say, however ... in all fairness ... that he did a good job in certain situations today ... a couple of really nice throws and a couple of good decisions. Just enough to make you want to believe in fairies and the little brownie man who lives in the woodpile ... FAX
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