Chiefs Props to Cassel for converting on some key 3rd downs - Page 6

PunkinDrublic · 10-24-2010, 03:31 PM

If you're going to pile on when he ****s up you gotta credit him when he plays well. Our run game was dominant, but I'm stoked Cassel was able to complete some key third down passes when the game was still close.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Cassel is on pace for right around 3K yards and 24 TD's.

If that happens I am telling you there is no way he isn't our starting QB next season.

Second, playing at a high level is about confidence. Even if Cassel gets better against bad secondaries, sometimes that helps a guys confidence in his ability. and then he plays better against better defenses.

Either way, if Cassel is what we've got then I hope he continues to improve. If he doesn't, we will replace him. If he does continue to improve then the team gets better and we win the division and get a home playoff game. I don't see a downside.

Cassel has a lot to improve. The good news is, we're starting to see progress. And if he continues that progress, maybe he becomes good enough to be the starter for next season. I think he's secured the role, at least, of backup on a severely reduced salary next season. I don't think he's come close to proving just yet that he's their QBOTF.

**the Talking Can** · 10-25-2010, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Cassel is on pace for right around 3K yards and 24 TD's.

If that happens I am telling you there is no way he isn't our starting QB next season.

Second, playing at a high level is about confidence. Even if Cassel gets better against bad secondaries, sometimes that helps a guys confidence in his ability. and then he plays better against better defenses.

Either way, if Cassel is what we've got then I hope he continues to improve. If he doesn't, we will replace him. If he does continue to improve then the team gets better and we win the division and get a home playoff game. I don't see a downside.

Cassel is going to be our QB for 4 years....that was predicted before the season by many and is coming true...Weis is doing exactly what he was brought in to do, and doing it well

they are not going to get rid of a guy who ends the season with 85+ QB rating, regardless of the means in which it was achieved...

but this is a thread for praise...so I'll leave now without comment about the future...

TheGuardian · 10-25-2010, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Cassel is going to be our QB for 4 years....that was predicted before the season by many and is coming true...Weis is doing exactly what he was brought in to do, and doing it well

they are not going to get rid of a guy who ends the season with 85+ QB rating, regardless of the means in which it was achieved...

but this is a thread for praise...so I'll leave now without comment about the future...

WEll if he ends the year with a 85+ rating and 24 TD's I have a feeling that we won a playoff game or at least made the playoffs and you'd be hard to justify letting go of a guy that did that. And again, I am all for replacing Cassel as much as the next guy, but if keeps improving at this pace it'd be hard to find a reason to replace him.

FAX · 10-25-2010, 07:00 AM

It was an interesting game for the offense, that's for sure. Cassel's throws were over, under, high, low, up, down, do the shimmy shake, and fist pump all the way home.

Stats-wise, we did some things, though.

1. We were 4 for 4 in the red zone.
2. Never attempted a field goal. (Even though we had the one, golden opportunity).
3. We were penalized 7 times for almost a hundred yards and overcame it.
4. Our average gain per passing attempt was 10 yards.
5. Average gain per offensive play was 7 yards. (I'd like to see us keep this up.)
6. After that first series that sucked, we picked it up on 1st down and had quite a few 7 and 8 yard gains on 1st and 10 via the rush.
7. Partially due to our 1st down efficiency, we converted 54% of our third downs.

FAX

**The Bad Guy** · 10-25-2010, 07:11 AM

If someone said that Cassel would be 9th in QB rating and the Chiefs would be 4-2 after 7 weeks, all of you would have jumped at that chance.

I'm happy with the progress. He's clearly the weakest link now and it's not sinking us. I would like to see some screen passes to loosen the defense up more, but for all his limitations, he's playing fine football right now.

**the Talking Can** · 10-25-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

WEll if he ends the year with a 85+ rating and 24 TD's I have a feeling that we won a playoff game or at least made the playoffs and you'd be hard to justify letting go of a guy that did that. And again, I am all for replacing Cassel as much as the next guy, but if keeps improving at this pace it'd be hard to find a reason to replace him.

i agree

but, the catch is always what are you setting yourself up for in the post season

regular season stats are great, but we've seen this show...the post season is about intangibles....and there lies the ???

i know what Cassel is, others can have their own beliefs...

but i'm not ripping the guy, he has done his job as asked...and we're a good team

**The Bad Guy** · 10-25-2010, 07:14 AM

I do like what Weis has done with Cassel. He's made some great coaching adjustments.

Next year though, whether Cassel is here, or elsewhere, they have to upgrade the starting WR. Copper is fine as a 4th or 5th, but he's not starting on 99% of the teams in this league (Sorry SNR).

suds79 · 10-25-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

If someone said that Cassel would be 9th in QB rating and the Chiefs would be 4-2 after 7 weeks, all of you would have jumped at that chance.

I'm happy with the progress. He's clearly the weakest link now and it's not sinking us. I would like to see some screen passes to loosen the defense up more, but for all his limitations, he's playing fine football right now.

Agreed.

We all know what Matt is and what he's capable of. As long as he continues to avoid INTs, we'll take it.

**Rausch** · 10-25-2010, 07:17 AM

We did not have the luxury of fixing every hole on this team in one or two offseasons. There was just too much that needed to be done.

Casshole can be leashed and an effective game manager as long as the line continues to give him time. As the rest of the team is built around him (read: next two years) we can find/develop an acceptable replacement...

**Rausch** · 10-25-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I do like what Weis has done with Cassel. He's made some great coaching adjustments.

Next year though, whether Cassel is here, or elsewhere, they have to upgrade the starting WR. Copper is fine as a 4th or 5th, but he's not starting on 99% of the teams in this league (Sorry SNR).

We need a true playmaking WR. A LEGIT no. 1 guy...

**The Bad Guy** · 10-25-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We need a true playmaking WR. A LEGIT no. 1 guy...

Amen.

Our #1 pick has to be spent on a WR.

We do need a NT, OLB too, but the receiver position has to be upgraded in the worst way.

KChiefs1 · 10-25-2010, 07:20 AM

The Chiefs needs a pass rusher who can put some pressure on the QB instead of a QB or WR.

suds79 · 10-25-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We did not have the luxury of fixing every hole on this team in one or two offseasons. There was just too much that needed to be done.

Casshole can be leashed and an effective game manager as long as the line continues to give him time. As the rest of the team is built around him (read: next two years) we can find/develop an acceptable replacement...

Ah I wouldn't go that far.

I don't think management plans on building around Cassel over the next two years. I think they're smarter then that.

I think they'll continue to try to address their weak spots and # 1 is still QB.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-25-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Ah I wouldn't go that far.

I don't think management plans on building around Cassel over the next two years. I think they're smarter then that.

I think they'll continue to try to address their weak spots and # 1 is still QB.

Get ready for it, because if this team makes the playoffs and Cassel has around an 85-90 QB rating, they are paying the bonus.

suds79 · 10-25-2010, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

The Chiefs needs a pass rusher who can put some pressure on the QB instead of a QB or WR.

IMO they could help out that area lot whenever Studebaker takes over Vrabel's spot.

He looked really slow yesterday covering Jones out of the backfield. (and TE Lewis on the crossing route)

10-24-2010, 03:31 PM
PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $4450670	Props to Cassel for converting on some key 3rd downs If you're going to pile on when he ****s up you gotta credit him when he plays well. Our run game was dominant, but I'm stoked Cassel was able to complete some key third down passes when the game was still close.
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10-25-2010, 07:00 AM	#79
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	It was an interesting game for the offense, that's for sure. Cassel's throws were over, under, high, low, up, down, do the shimmy shake, and fist pump all the way home. Stats-wise, we did some things, though. 1. We were 4 for 4 in the red zone. 2. Never attempted a field goal. (Even though we had the one, golden opportunity). 3. We were penalized 7 times for almost a hundred yards and overcame it. 4. Our average gain per passing attempt was 10 yards. 5. Average gain per offensive play was 7 yards. (I'd like to see us keep this up.) 6. After that first series that sucked, we picked it up on 1st down and had quite a few 7 and 8 yard gains on 1st and 10 via the rush. 7. Partially due to our 1st down efficiency, we converted 54% of our third downs. FAX
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10-25-2010, 07:11 AM	#80
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	If someone said that Cassel would be 9th in QB rating and the Chiefs would be 4-2 after 7 weeks, all of you would have jumped at that chance. I'm happy with the progress. He's clearly the weakest link now and it's not sinking us. I would like to see some screen passes to loosen the defense up more, but for all his limitations, he's playing fine football right now. __________________
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10-25-2010, 07:14 AM	#82
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	I do like what Weis has done with Cassel. He's made some great coaching adjustments. Next year though, whether Cassel is here, or elsewhere, they have to upgrade the starting WR. Copper is fine as a 4th or 5th, but he's not starting on 99% of the teams in this league (Sorry SNR). __________________
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10-25-2010, 07:20 AM	#87
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	The Chiefs needs a pass rusher who can put some pressure on the QB instead of a QB or WR. __________________
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