Collinsworth and Simms debate Matt Cassel

[Hammock Parties]

I can't believe Simms said some of the things he said.

[crazycoffey]

PS - I'm just soooooo happy that our beloved Chiefs are actually garnishing enough national media coverage to get a spot on inside the NFL.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by evolve27

Nice find on the video. Collinsworth and Sapp have it on the money with their beginning and closing statements. However, Sapp used to be a ****ing Faider, so I take it for what it is.

He trashes the faiders all the time actually. It's easy to sense that he has a built up hate for Al Davis, and the faider organization as a whole.

[RedThat]

I like what Sims had to say.

I agree with a lot of things he says. In particular about coverages. It is going to happen where NFL receivers get single coverage for a lot of snaps.

Are the Chiefs receivers the greatest? Absolutely not.

But I like how he got to the bottomline. When Cassel has to make the crucial plays to drive his team at important times in ball games he makes the throws. Statistically he converts a majority of the throws that count most. He did that last week. He setup his team in position to win the game. He flat out did his job.

And thats what matters. The most appropriate way to judge a quarterback is to see how that quarterback responds under pressure. I don't care what anyone says. So far, Cassel has proved he has the ability to perform well under difficult circumstances. Facts don't lie, like it or not, anyone who debates this is simply a Cassel hater imo.

*Don't know where the lack of protection came from though? That boggled my mind there.

[007]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I like what Sims had to say.

I agree with a lot of things he says. In particular about coverages. It is going to happen where NFL receivers get single coverage for a lot of snaps.

Are the Chiefs receivers the greatest? Absolutely not.

But I like how he got to the bottomline. When Cassel has to make the crucial plays to drive his team at important times in ball games he makes the throws. Statistically he converts a majority of the throws that count most. He did that last week. He setup his team in position to win the game. He flat out did his job.

And thats what matters. The most appropriate way to judge a quarterback is to see how that quarterback responds under pressure. I don't care what anyone says. So far, Cassel has proved he has the ability to perform well under difficult circumstances. Facts don't lie, like it or not, anyone who debates this is simply a Cassel hater imo.

*Don't know where the lack of protection came from though? That boggled my mind there.

You did watch the game against the Bills this week right?

[evolve27]

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

He trashes the faiders all the time actually. It's easy to sense that he has a built up hate for Al Davis, and the faider organization as a whole.

The "QBKilla"!

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Guru

You did watch the game against the Bills this week right?

Of course. He came through in the clutch didn't he?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Of course. He came through in the clutch didn't he?

Cassel played like dogshit for four and 4/5 quarters.

He created the need for his own "clutch" play, which consisted of dumping the ball to a running back and hitting a wide open Moeaki on two 10-yard throws.

If Cassel had turned in one decent half of football the Chiefs win in a blowout.

[007]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Of course. He came through in the clutch didn't he?

Ok, so you want to base an entire game on one series. I see.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Cassel played like dogshit for four and 4/5 quarters.

He created the need for his own "clutch" play, which consisted of dumping the ball to a running back and hitting a wide open Moeaki on two 10-yard throws.

If Cassel had turned in one decent half of football the Chiefs win in a blowout.

THIS

[Rausch]

So Pioli and Haley have managed to reach 10 years of Marty/Carl results in only 2?

****ing masterful!

That's a ****ing learning curve I can live with!1!

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Cassel played like dogshit for four and 4/5 quarters.

He created the need for his own "clutch" play, which consisted of dumping the ball to a running back and hitting a wide open Moeaki on two 10-yard throws.

If Cassel had turned in one decent half of football the Chiefs win in a blowout.

I understand he played like dogshit a majority of the game. but if you ask me, that is not a fair way to evaluate him at this point.

The Chiefs are what they are, a running team. And I suspect they will depend on the running game for a majority of the season. Cassel is who he is, an average to solid quarterback who doesn't turn the ball over and makes the simple and clutch plays when he has to.

A lot of times we get caught up looking at the sh*tty part of his play and neglect our focus on his entire play or focusing on the bottomline. Like it or not, he does convert the throws when needed most. Quarterback play should be judged on a broader scale as opposed to a narrow scale. He has contributed in helping this team win in needed times.

*so if you're referring to him creating his own clutch plays then he deserves some credit. I also give credit to Moeaki and Charles who have been stellar in the clutch so far this year.

*shouldn't be looking at this thing as a blowout. Im sure you know the Chiefs by now, they ain't gonna blow people out. It just comes down to accepting them for who they are. But hey, they got the win. thats all that counts.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Guru

Ok, so you want to base an entire game on one series. I see.



THIS

Nope just saying quarterback play should be judged from a broader scale and not a narrow scale. He came through when it mattered most.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Cassel has a average to good arm so it's not like he's wrong. What Cassel struggles with is his accuracy.

Cassel is a funny quarterback. He's a lot like story of the elephant and the blind dudes ... the one where one blind dude touches the elephant's leg and says the elephant is like unto a pillar, another one touches his tail and says the elephant is like unto a rope, and still another touches his testicles and says the elephant is like unto his Uncle Morris ...

It all depends on your perspective. Are the Chiefs winning games? Yes. Is Cassel the quarterback? Yes. Can he dance like a little girl? Absolutely.

I wish we had a stud QB, but we don't. They can argue all they want, but we're stuck with this guy for now and sometimes he looks like a journeyman and sometimes he looks like a mud hole.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I understand he played like dogshit a majority of the game. but if you ask me, that is not a fair way to evaluate him at this point.

OK, so it's not fair to judge a quarterback based on the majority of the game, just one possession.

Like it or not, he does convert the throws when needed most.

So when we needed him to make a throw in the first four quarters, where was he?

Quarterback play should be judged on a broader scale as opposed to a narrow scale.

Wait, didn't you just say we should judge quarterback play based on a narrow scale, i.e. one possession? Make up your ****ing mind.

*so if you're referring to him creating his own clutch plays then he deserves some credit.

He deserves as much credit as shitbag Jake Plummer, who did the same thing in Arizona for years. Play like shit, then miracle comeback out the ass to cover yours.

Im sure you know the Chiefs by now, they ain't gonna blow people out.

Chiefs 42, Jaguars 20
Chiefs 31, 49ers 10

Would you like to know more?

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by FAX

Cassel is a funny quarterback. He's a lot like story of the elephant and the blind dudes ... the one where one blind dude touches the elephant's leg and says the elephant is like unto a pillar, another one touches his tail and says the elephant is like unto a rope, and still another touches his testicles and says the elephant is like unto his Uncle Morris ...

It all depends on your perspective. Are the Chiefs winning games? Yes. Is Cassel the quarterback? Yes. Can he dance like a little girl? Absolutely.

I wish we had a stud QB, but we don't. They can argue all they want, but we're stuck with this guy for now and sometimes he looks like a journeyman and sometimes he looks like a mud hole.

FAX

Cassel post of the year...

[Brock]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Nope just saying quarterback play should be judged from a broader scale and not a narrow scale. He came through when it mattered most.

You have pretty low expectations.