Chiefs I know everyone on CP hates Cassel..... - Page 17

Three7s · 11-16-2010, 06:02 PM

So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads.

FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell.

What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Truth is CP is incapable of deveoping a new QB. Matt Cassel is proof of that.

While you might be correct that the majority of posters would not have the patience for the Chiefs to develop a QB, Matt Cassel absolutely does not prove this.

When he was acquired: "We can hit the ground running with this guy."

Now: "He's evidence that we cannot develop a QB."

Come on...

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-17-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

lol, wut?! I guess he'll be "developed" by 32?

He is 28 and in his 3rd full season....In the PRIME of his life. You're saying he is too old? The guy hasn't taken a beating at all over his career....He will be playing for a long time.

What a ****ing joke you are.

stevieray · 11-17-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When he was acquired: "He'll hit the ground running (literally) with this oline."

what they really meant.

**007** · 11-17-2010, 05:16 PM

KK and Jack Harry were salivating over him today. They don't understand why a lot of fans don't like him. Kept gloating about his stats last week.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

what they really meant.

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The o-line criticism is overstated, however. You don't have the top rushing team in the league (for much of the season) with a terrible line. QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

Norman Einstein · 11-17-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

He's better than this time last year. Thats all I mean by that.

In other words, there is no reason to think it wont continue. Same as any developmental player that would come in. ]

Truth is CP is incapable of deveoping a new QB. Matt Cassel is proof of that.

CP? Peterson was gone before we acquired Cassel if my memory is correct. Scot Pioli was in charge when Cassel was brought in.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2010, 05:22 PM

It was CP. Had to be. No one else would make such a stupid decision.

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-17-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

QB's who hold the ball too long generally dont have the fewest sacks in the NFL....

Cassel has done a decent job getting rid of the ball..

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson

He's an average quarterback, and we still have a below average defense.

He's proved he can score a go-ahead touchdown, on the road, in the 4th quarter, against a division rival...but our defense has constantly proved they CANNOT consistently hold a team when it really matters.

He's an average quarterback, and we still have a below average defense.

Defense and Special Teams and even the running game can't win every game. When it's time to pass, you have to get those completions, even if you're not a "passing team". Now granted, last week's defensive anomaly( yep, I'm going with "anomaly" because I better not EVEN see that kind of "Pinkel Quit"-horseshit from this squad one more ****ing time)completely screwed the pooch, but the first half offensively speaks to the point.
Consistency and balance were sorely lacking against Dungver.

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

Too bad you can't see it right to give Cassel a chance with that faith. He is 9games into a new offense, a new offense for the 3rd time in 2 years. You expect a freaking miracle just because we have a better defense than we've had for many years.

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

All of you on the left side of the fence will say yes and will be willing to ship him off because he doesn't meet your expectations. Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Oh....oh...

....thanks dude, I needed that.

stevieray · 11-17-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

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The o-line criticism is overstated, however. You don't have the top rushing team in the league (for much of the season) with a terrible line. QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

...that's why they say an Oline has only given up _____sacks...

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

QB's who hold the ball too long generally dont have the fewest sacks in the NFL....

Cassel has done a decent job getting rid of the ball.

We're circling back to discussions of pre-snap reads and what happens when Cassel is not reliant on them.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Every ****ing day of my life, friend.

Norman Einstein · 11-17-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR

Defense and Special Teams and even the running game can't win every game. When it's time to pass, you have to get those completions, even if you're not a "passing team". Now granted, last week's defensive anomaly( yep, I'm going with "anomaly" because I better not EVEN see that kind of "Pinkel Quit"-horseshit from this squad one more ****ing time)completely screwed the pooch, but the first half offensively speaks to the point.
Consistency and balance were sorely lacking against Dungver.

Oh....oh...

....thanks dude, I needed that.

Didn't read the whole post did ya?

Missed the What if...

Just pointing out that no matter what Cassel might do people like you would dismiss his achievements. He might as well quit right now and find a team that has fans that would appreciate what his tasks are and how he is handling them, that surely can never happen in KC.

patteeu · 11-17-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

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The o-line criticism is overstated, however. You don't have the top rushing team in the league (for much of the season) with a terrible line. QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

The line isn't terrible, it's just not good. It's much improved over last year, but it's still a fragile work in progress.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It's much improved over last year, but it's still a fragile work in progress.

I agree with this. Many of us having been arguing for the need to draft a C and legit RT, and these are still pressing issues.

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