I know everyone on CP hates Cassel.....

[Three7s]

So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads.

FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell.

What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Chris Chambers would be a pro bowler with Sanchez?

There would be a better pass rush? The D wouldn't completely cave in like they did against Denver and the Texans? Special teams would suddenly return to the level they played the first two weeks of the year?

The defense caved against the Texans, but the fact remains, Matty Melt shit the bed on a huge thrid and two that would have sealed that win.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

I agree with this. Especially the bolded part. Except, I don't think there's any chance in hell that they'll change up what they're doing and let Cassel try and throw farther down the field. If he were capable of it without hundreds of sacks and INTs, then they'd be doing it. The only reason they would have for holding back the vertical passing game is if it were a direct detriment to their progress. The coaches aren't going to put Cassel in a position where they feel he might fail.

And that's my main criticism of Cassel. I don't want a QB with this expensive of a contract, that requires the rest of the offense to be scaled back to a level that makes us easier to defend against. We've seen over the last few weeks what kind of position that can put us in. Right now, the way we're playing, unless the running game is working well, our offense is fairly neutered. And while Cassel isn't bad enough that he's single-handedly losing games, he's still not good enough to overcome any kind of struggles in other areas of the offense.

But he can obviously do it. He carved up a Cover 4 when we were down by 35 points.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

As much as people want to bag on the defense, if it weren't for them we would have lost the Buffalo, SD, and Cleveland games going away, and the Indy game would have been an epic shit-kicking.

If the defense had played at the same level as Cassel, we are 3-6.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

We spent a 2nd rd on this guy and it must be understood that when Pioli brought this guy over they saw him as a rookie "NOT" as seasoned veteran. This is how upper mgmt is looking at this guy and why they are so patient.

He had only 1 season under his belt with a very superior cast around that allowed him to show his potential. "IF" Cassel doesn't take advantage of that superior cast around him then he is just a b/u QB. The problem is that his first yr here he went from a superior O-line to a "high school line" which would scar "anybody" and would take time to trust your line even if you get the time. This is why I feel he misses WRs so wide open when there is no pressure. He got spoiled in NE and was in the shotgun much of the time which didn't help. Also we must remember he just doesn't have that many snaps under center from a legit O-line until this yr.

Does he play like a back-up? Yes! And like alot of you I just sit back and shake my head. He needs to start working through the pressure of being an NFL QB.

You couldn't be more clueless if you were s deaf mute.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Who is Cassel better than? You said he's a top 10 QB and you won't tell anyone who he's better than.

I'll rank him.

1-28
29. Cassel
30. Fitzpatrick
31. Arizona QB of the week
32. Carolina QB of the week.

I didn't say he was a top 10 QB. The NFL ranking system has him at #9. I don't think your ranking is anywhere near valid, but it's apparent you get to have your opinion and what I think and have said I'm not allowed to do because it doesn't jibe with what you believe.

Are we done yet? Well, at least I am. You can continue to use your opinion to invalidate the NFL stats.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...0/seasontype/2

Here's one that will make you feel better about yourself.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/playerrankings

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

As much as people want to bag on the defense, if it weren't for them we would have lost the Buffalo, SD, and Cleveland games going away, and the Indy game would have been an epic shit-kicking.

If the defense had played at the same level as Cassel, we are 3-6.

Truth.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

Too bad you can't see it right to give Cassel a chance with that faith. He is 9games into a new offense, a new offense for the 3rd time in 2 years. You expect a freaking miracle just because we have a better defense than we've had for many years.

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

All of you on the left side of the fence will say yes and will be willing to ship him off because he doesn't meet your expectations. Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Charlie Weis runs essentially the same offense that Todd Haley does/did.

[Brianfo]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But he can obviously do it. He carved up a Cover 4 when we were down by 35 points.

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Brianfo

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

Actually, it was. If not for him, we would have only been down 21.

[Brianfo]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Actually, it was. If not for him, we would have only been down 21.

Explain that shithead. Did you actually watch the game or just sit in the corner and just beat off to Cassel's pic. It's obvious that you don't like the guy. Did he fuk your mom and sister or just punch one out on your forehead. Hamas=FAIL!!

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

You would lose that bet, but don't let facts deter you.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Michael Vick, QB PHI 153 96 62.7 1350 8.82 88 11 0 15 115.1 225
2 David Garrard, QB JAC 180 125 69.4 1440 8.00 52 15 7 17 104.9 180
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 329 215 65.4 2944 8.95 59 19 8 22 102.9 327
4 Tom Brady, QB NE 304 196 64.5 2176 7.16 65 17 4 13 98.8 242
5 Vince Young, QB TEN 140 81 57.9 1090 7.79 71 10 3 12 97.6 136
6 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 158 99 62.7 1304 8.25 53 9 4 12 97.1 261
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 350 217 62.0 2806 8.02 71 16 5 21 96.4 312
8 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
9 Matt Cassel, QB KC 267 158 59.2 1881 7.05 53 16 4 15 94.5 209
10 Peyton Manning, QB IND 386 248 64.2 2663 6.90 73 16 4 12 93.9 296

Cassel is not as bad as you think. What are you going to do if he does happen to get the Chiefs into the playoffs? or further?

Basically my point is that none of the people proclaiming to know what is going on doesn't have a clue. If they did I'm sure they wouldn't sitting their ass talking shit on the internet.

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

[Brianfo]

Originally Posted by milkman

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

And Milkman is a useful term for you know what. Good luck with that.

[Brianfo]

Originally Posted by milkman

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

Did you even look at that list. Ur fb knowledge just went down the tube. Look he's not Peyton manning, but he could be worse.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Brianfo

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

Wishing someone to "did in a fire" is dumb

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

I didn't say there weren't any better, per your question: [b]Which current NFL QB's would you keep Cassel over?]/b] it is pointless as we have Cassel and none of the top 20, other than Cassel are coming to KC this year and most likely next.

Why spend the energy wishing for something that will never happen?

So your whole argument is that he's our QB and he's better than anyone else we have.

Dumbass.