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Old 12-21-2010, 05:08 PM   #1
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His "goalpost" was 8-8. Are you seeing him say he was wrong about Cassel beyond "sucks less"? As I noted "It's not fully on point regarding the moving goalposts, but it's close". "Sucks less" is not the same as "sucks just as much", but it's clearly not much of a concession. That's where "close" came into play.

However, my 5:11 pm post dealt directly with what you claim to be your point.
Again, Tapatalk limits how I see quotes, and again, tell me if I'm wrong...
But it seems his goalposts for the team were 8-8. If he claimed he'd love Cassel if he was the QB on an 8 win team, then that's moving the goalposts. Otherwise, no, it's not "close."



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Old 12-21-2010, 05:10 PM   #2
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Again, Tapatalk limits how I see quotes, and again, tell me if I'm wrong...
But it seems his goalposts for the team were 8-8. If he claimed he'd love Cassel if he was the QB on an 8 win team, then that's moving the goalposts. Otherwise, no, it's not "close."



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Ummm.... Still sucks/sucks less

Yes, it's close. And, again, I'd already addressed your argument in the earlier post. His post was just something close to somewhat illustrate the point.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:39 AM   #3
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Again, Tapatalk limits how I see quotes, and again, tell me if I'm wrong...
But it seems his goalposts for the team were 8-8. If he claimed he'd love Cassel if he was the QB on an 8 win team, then that's moving the goalposts. Otherwise, no, it's not "close."
Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:27 AM   #4
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Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.
EVERYONE thinks that Cassel has improved. If you can't find the posts saying that Cassel has been playing much better the last few games then i have to imagine its because you aren't looking.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:33 AM   #5
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EVERYONE thinks that Cassel has improved. If you can't find the posts saying that Cassel has been playing much better the last few games then i have to imagine its because you aren't looking.
Some people rather than give credit (like BA) are now saying, at best, well even if he is better he's still not a franchise QB.

Just say he's improving looks lots better and stfu. Seriously its time for this thread to end. Get the Cassle haters to admit its looking like he MIGHT be the answer and this thread can die.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:19 PM   #6
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Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.



Dave I don't believe I ever said he hasn't improved. Yes I made a foolish prediction, and I have no hate for Cassel. He is just not the QB I had hope for. I hope he gets better and wish nothing but the best for the Chiefs.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:28 PM   #7
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Dave I don't believe I ever said he hasn't improved. Yes I made a foolish prediction, and I have no hate for Cassel. He is just not the QB I had hope for. I hope he gets better and wish nothing but the best for the Chiefs.
He's the guy, there's no getting around it, the team plays better with him, so my MO is as follows:

Build Uber-Team to support him, take it as far as it can go, and pray, yes PRAY LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE, that guy who comes after him is FINALLY high-round, franchise material.

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He's the guy, there's no getting around it, the team plays better with him, so my MO is as follows:

Build Uber-Team to support him, take it as far as it can go, and pray, yes PRAY LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE, that guy who comes after him is FINALLY high-round, franchise material.

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