Chiefs Fescoe: Haley took playcalling away from Weis in 2nd Half - Page 25

**doomy3** · 01-10-2011, 10:47 AM

Just got a 610 text that says Fescoe is reporting that Haley took playcalling away from Weis in the 2nd half yesterday. That could explain why the playcalling was so horrific in the 2nd half, and if true I think Haley should be in some hot water. That was some of the worst playcalling I have ever seen in my entire life.

Molitoth · 01-11-2011, 01:57 PM

I agree that Crennel has a soft defense that needs to get a lot better... but I'm willing to give him at least another year to get his shit together.

Weis was so bad, he didn't deserve another year.

-King- · 01-11-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

to be honest...

I wish Crennel would leave, too...

He's competent, no doubt about it...but we have some guys (Berry, Arenas) who can flat out get to the passer and provide a little energy/playmaking ability to the game...

but instead we just sit back and play that "bend don't break" bullshit...

which cost us the momentum and the game in the 1st half when we let them score with 10 seconds to go...

3rd and 12 conversions...same old story every year...

playoff teams and playoff defenses don't give up easy 3rd and longs to the Baltimore Ravens...we did.

I was as unhappy with Crennel as I was with Weis/Haley...

that was some pussy ass defense and a pussy ass gameplan

WHAT?!
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FAX · 01-11-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Completely disagree.

So ... if you were head coach, you would hire someone who didn't know your system, or understand it, or have any experience with it just so you could fill that slot? No offense, Mr. DeezNutz, but that's nutz.

If you don't have a "qualified" applicant, the job goes vacant until you do. At least, that's how most people look at HR. Of course, you might wish to temporarily plug in a placeholder, but that can be detrimental if you're not careful.

The NFL is a weird deal. You get 16 games and that's it. Hiring the wrong OC could be far worse for the team in the long run than allowing Haley to run things until the right guy is available.

FAX

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-11-2011, 02:04 PM

If Haley running the offense causes anything even remotely similar to Haley's management of game situations in 2009, it should be a capital offense to even suggest it.

-King- · 01-11-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If Haley running the offense causes anything even remotely similar to Haley's management of game situations in 2009, it should be a capital offense to even suggest it.

He wouldn't have to worry about the defense next year
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**Lzen** · 01-11-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Whitlock was on PFT Live today and said that Haley had taken away play calls from Weis a lot during the season and that was one of the main reasons he left. He did say though that he is hesitant to believe anything that KC Radio reports because they throw stuff at the wall all the time, but said that that 4th and 1 call had "Haley written all over it"

He said that Haley is insecure and wants a puppet who he can scream at and blame things on when things don't go right.

Also said that the reason Jamaal Charles doesn't get many carries is because Pioli and Haley have problems with guys drafted by Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards.

Here is the link. It is in Part 2 of PFT live so just fast forward through the first segment and then click on the Whitlock interview at the end. http://hqplayer.nbcsports.com/Player.html?PID=44

OMG, where to start. How about the thing about Herm players. Then perhaps dipshitlock would like to explain why Flowers, Hali, etc. are starters.

**DeezNutz** · 01-11-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

So ... if you were head coach, you would hire someone who didn't know your system, or understand it, or have any experience with it just so you could fill that slot? No offense, Mr. DeezNutz, but that's nutz.

If you don't have a "qualified" applicant, the job goes vacant until you do. At least, that's how most people look at HR. Of course, you might wish to temporarily plug in a placeholder, but that can be detrimental if you're not careful.

The NFL is a weird deal. You get 16 games and that's it. Hiring the wrong OC could be far worse for the team in the long run than allowing Haley to run things until the right guy is available.

FAX

I don't believe for a second that there aren't numerous potentially qualified and gifted candidates, some whom we've speculated about and some whom we aren't particularly familiar with.

I'm of the mindset that being an NFL HC is simply too big of a job to try to be an OC, too, which is, on its own, a ridiculously demanding position.

'09-Haley was one of the worst HCs I can remember witnessing (speaking strictly about his game management). FAR worse than Herm. 4-7-37. Never forget. I do not want to revert back to this wasteland.

FAX · 01-11-2011, 02:08 PM

Shoot me, then.

Because I'd rather see Haley run the offense than hire somebody whose offensive philosophy doesn't match his.

I hope they can find someone who fits the bill because I think Haley needs to HC and not HC/OC. Still, if the choice is between Haley running the offense and spending a year trying to squeeze a square peg into Cassel's anus, I'd have to choose the former.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 01-11-2011, 02:10 PM

Haley's offensive philosophy is so unusual, so unique, that there isn't a single qualified person in all the land capable of serving as his OC? Is this what we're to believe?

Or is it that Haley is so adamant about calling the plays that he doesn't want to relinquish control?

Which seems more likely?

Molitoth · 01-11-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Shoot me, then.

Because I'd rather see Haley run the offense than hire somebody whose offensive philosophy doesn't match his.

I hope they can find someone who fits the bill because I think Haley needs to HC and not HC/OC. Still, if the choice is between Haley running the offense and spending a year trying to squeeze a square peg into Cassel's anus, I'd have to choose the former.

FAX

Gotta agree with FAX here!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-11-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't believe for a second that there aren't numerous potentially qualified and gifted candidates, some whom we've speculated about and some whom we aren't particularly familiar with.

I'm of the mindset that being an NFL HC is simply too big of a job to try to be an OC, too, which is, on its own, a ridiculously demanding position.

'09-Haley was one of the worst HCs I can remember witnessing (speaking strictly about his game management). FAR worse than Herm. 4-7-37. Never forget. I do not want to revert back to this wasteland.

You forgot. It was 4-7-27.

And lets not forget the Castille pass to Cassel to kill a promising drive in SD.

Marching down the field.....and......done.

**DeezNutz** · 01-11-2011, 02:12 PM

Worse!!! 4-7-27.

Apparently I would need heavy sedation and to be regressed to remember this travesty in full detail.

FAX · 01-11-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't believe for a second that there aren't numerous potentially qualified and gifted candidates, some whom we've speculated about and some whom we aren't particularly familiar with.

I'm of the mindset that being an NFL HC is simply too big of a job to try to be an OC, too, which is, on its own, a ridiculously demanding position.

'09-Haley was one of the worst HCs I can remember witnessing (speaking strictly about his game management). FAR worse than Herm. 4-7-37. Never forget. I do not want to revert back to this wasteland.

I have no disagreement with any of that. I'm not advocating that Haley run the offense and call plays. Just to be clear.

I'm merely responding to his press conference comments. There may be a candidate out there who "fits" with whom we can make a deal and there may not.

If, however, people think that the worst thing that could happen is for Haley to call plays, I say, "Stick an opossum in your ear.", because hiring the wrong guy at this stage of the rebuild could be far more damaging to our progress.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 01-11-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I have no disagreement with any of that. I'm not advocating that Haley run the offense and call plays. Just to be clear.

I'm merely responding to his press conference comments. There may be a candidate out there who "fits" with whom we can make a deal and there may not.

If, however, people think that the worst thing that could happen is for Haley to call plays, I say, "Stick an opossum in your ear.", because hiring the wrong guy at this stage of the rebuild could be far more damaging to our progress.

FAX

My only qualm is the notion that a poor hire would be "far more damaging" because Haley hiring himself would qualify as a "poor hire."

Thus both would be equally damaging.

And, sorry, Haley needs to check his ego just a bit here.

Hootie · 01-11-2011, 02:15 PM

well Charles played the majority of the offensive snaps...

Jones played very limitedly...so it was evident the staff knew he was broken down...

He needs to be off the team...

My Crennel analysis is probably heat of the moment but I was disappointed to say the least with our preseason scheme against the Ravens...who are not a potent offense...especially when, outside of A meaningless run, we shut their running game totally down.

Flacco didn't have to make a tough throw...underneath routes and crossing routes were wide open...flats...wide open...

It was sickening.

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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $244969	I agree that Crennel has a soft defense that needs to get a lot better... but I'm willing to give him at least another year to get his shit together. Weis was so bad, he didn't deserve another year.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Shoot me, then. Because I'd rather see Haley run the offense than hire somebody whose offensive philosophy doesn't match his. I hope they can find someone who fits the bill because I think Haley needs to HC and not HC/OC. Still, if the choice is between Haley running the offense and spending a year trying to squeeze a square peg into Cassel's anus, I'd have to choose the former. FAX
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well Charles played the majority of the offensive snaps... Jones played very limitedly...so it was evident the staff knew he was broken down... He needs to be off the team... My Crennel analysis is probably heat of the moment but I was disappointed to say the least with our preseason scheme against the Ravens...who are not a potent offense...especially when, outside of A meaningless run, we shut their running game totally down. Flacco didn't have to make a tough throw...underneath routes and crossing routes were wide open...flats...wide open... It was sickening.
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