Chiefs Fescoe: Haley took playcalling away from Weis in 2nd Half - Page 29

**doomy3** · 01-10-2011, 10:47 AM

Just got a 610 text that says Fescoe is reporting that Haley took playcalling away from Weis in the 2nd half yesterday. That could explain why the playcalling was so horrific in the 2nd half, and if true I think Haley should be in some hot water. That was some of the worst playcalling I have ever seen in my entire life.

**SAUTO** · 01-11-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He hosts a show on Sirius NFL Radio, and he said yesterday that he feels that Haley needs to take a step back, get with Pioli, and figure our what the issue is - whether it's his ego, whatever.

He went on to say that it's obvious he has some sort of issue as he's gone through 4 OC's (assuming he hires one) in 3 seasons.

And he's far from the only analyst on Sirius that feels the exact same way.

I'm not relaying all this to bash the guy.

I'm simply saying that those "in the know" seem to lean towards the idea that Haley and his ego are the problem here.

It's not just guys like Whitlock who are looking for a reaction.

if he hires one that different than going through 4.

gailey, weis, poss. hired guy. thats three. he has gone through 2 at that point (the hire) and if that guy is gone at some point he would have gone through 3. unless we are counting haley himself. and if his ego is too big to handle deferring to himself we have HUGE issue here.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-11-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He hosts a show on Sirius NFL Radio, and he said yesterday that he feels that Haley needs to take a step back, get with Pioli, and figure our what the issue is - whether it's his ego, whatever.

He went on to say that it's obvious he has some sort of issue as he's gone through 4 OC's (assuming he hires one) in 3 seasons.

And he's far from the only analyst on Sirius that feels the exact same way.

I'm not relaying all this to bash the guy.

I'm simply saying that those "in the know" seem to lean towards the idea that Haley and his ego are the problem here.

It's not just guys like Whitlock who are looking for a reaction.

The reason why I can't commit to a side on this is that I don't know the information.

I don't know if Haley never wanted Weis in the first place
I don't know if Haley thought he wanted a strong coach like Weis and realized he wanted someone more like McCoy
I don't know if Haley was an absolute tyrant that forced Weis out
I also don't know if Weis was unwilling to accept his role as second fiddle

This stuff concerns me, but without the right info, it's hard to say who's really to blame here. Sirius is probably working from the same information.

FAX · 01-11-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He hosts a show on Sirius NFL Radio, and he said yesterday that he feels that Haley needs to take a step back, get with Pioli, and figure our what the issue is - whether it's his ego, whatever.

He went on to say that it's obvious he has some sort of issue as he's gone through 4 OC's (assuming he hires one) in 3 seasons.

And he's far from the only analyst on Sirius that feels the exact same way.

I'm not relaying all this to bash the guy.

I'm simply saying that those "in the know" seem to lean towards the idea that Haley and his ego are the problem here.

It's not just guys like Whitlock who are looking for a reaction.

Well, maybe we need a Dr. Drew for a head coach. Or somebody who cries a lot and shares their feelings more. Or, maybe somebody who has to watch the game tape to tell you what the final score was.

I've had people call me a hard-ass, egotistical, arrogant, asshole. And that was my mom.

The point is that, when you're the boss, sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand and some people have a difficult time getting the picture unless you make yourself clearly understood. Poor Chan. Poor Weis. My heart breaks.

By the way, I only count 2 OCs ... and one of those was hung around Haley's neck before he even took the job. If we're going to argue this out, let's at least agree on what we're arguing about. Where do you get 4?

FAX

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-11-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

if he hires one that different than going through 4.

gailey, weis, poss. hired guy. thats three. he has gone through 2 at that point (the hire) and if that guy is gone at some point he would have gone through 3. unless we are counting haley himself. and if his ego is too big to handle deferring to himself we have HUGE issue here.

Why not count Haley? He was the OC, right?

While I appreciate your attempt at a joke, we can only assume - as many of us did when he was hired - that Weis was somewhat forced on Haley.

The situation today tends to lend credence to that thought.

Otherwise, it only makes Haley look worse that his handpicked guy left after 1 year.

Haley's definitely grown on me, but you'd have to be blind not to see that there are some personality issues at play with the guy.

JMO.

FAX · 01-11-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You don't think that Rich Gannon has more insight and access to inside information than the fans?

Not really. No. To be brutally honest about it.

I've heard Gannon say some really wrong stuff. Of course, he gets paid to fill up time and he's asked a lot of questions.

You know as well as I that the media (and Gannon qualifies) will run with a stereotype. They do it all the time. In the sports world and every other aspect of life.

FAX

stevieray · 01-11-2011, 05:13 PM

these guys weren't strangers to each other...if Weis had any kind of problem with Haley, he should've never taken the job.

...he doesn't want to be here. so, he's gone. that's a good thing.

patteeu · 01-11-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He hosts a show on Sirius NFL Radio, and he said yesterday that he feels that Haley needs to take a step back, get with Pioli, and figure our what the issue is - whether it's his ego, whatever.

He went on to say that it's obvious he has some sort of issue as he's gone through 4 OC's (assuming he hires one) in 3 seasons.

And he's far from the only analyst on Sirius that feels the exact same way.

I'm not relaying all this to bash the guy.

I'm simply saying that those "in the know" seem to lean towards the idea that Haley and his ego are the problem here.

It's not just guys like Whitlock who are looking for a reaction.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You don't think that Rich Gannon has more insight and access to inside information than the fans?

Not on this issue. It sounds to me like he's making a huge assumption here based only on the fact that he canned Gailey and lost Weis. It sounds to me like he's read some of the naval gazing in the trade media more than it sounds like he's got inside info.

Let's examine the basis for his assumption. Gailey was forced on him. It took balls to can the guy at the end of preseason, but it's really no surprise that it didn't work out. By pulling the plug early rather than giving it a year, Haley expedited the process and took a huge risk because he lost a potential scapegoat and put all the focus on himself.

Signing Weis to be OC when he could have picked some yes-man instead shows that Haley is confident enough to bring in a big personality. Losing a high profile guy like that after one season isn't really that surprising. It wouldn't have been surprising to lose either or both of the coordinators after a short stint because he picked guys who were at the top of their profession rather than guys who still had to make a name for themselves. That, again, shows self confidence rather than ego-mania.

Neither Whitlock or Fescoe has any insight into this matter. Gannon probably has even less.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-11-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The reason why I can't commit to a side on this is that I don't know the information.

I don't know if Haley never wanted Weis in the first place
I don't know if Haley thought he wanted a strong coach like Weis and realized he wanted someone more like McCoy
I don't know if Haley was an absolute tyrant that forced Weis out
I also don't know if Weis was unwilling to accept his role as second fiddle

This stuff concerns me, but without the right info, it's hard to say who's really to blame here. Sirius is probably working from the same information.

None of those potential situations look good on Haley, IMO.

1) He's not allowed to put together his own staff?

2) How do you not know what you want?

3) Obviously wouldn't be good.

4) Why should Weis play 2nd fiddle? He was hired to do a job. Haley needs to keep his hands out of it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-11-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Not really. No. To be brutally honest about it.

I'm sorry but this is just plain silly.

I'm not going to reveal my source but I received a text early Friday morning, December 31st from a coach that stated "Weis is going to U Florida. Done with Chiefs".

I thought it was a joke when I turned my phone on that day. I texted back and forth because I couldn't believe it was true but of course, it was.

This guy isn't an NFL coach but he's a highly respected coach. Trust me, it's a small fraternity and people know the score, whether they're part of an organization or not.

Word gets around quickly.

**dirk digler** · 01-11-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't believe for a second that there aren't numerous potentially qualified and gifted candidates, some whom we've speculated about and some whom we aren't particularly familiar with.

I'm of the mindset that being an NFL HC is simply too big of a job to try to be an OC, too, which is, on its own, a ridiculously demanding position.

'09-Haley was one of the worst HCs I can remember witnessing (speaking strictly about his game management). FAR worse than Herm. 4-7-37. Never forget. I do not want to revert back to this wasteland.

Totally agree. The last thing I want to see is Haley calling plays again

FAX · 01-11-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry but this is just plain silly.

I'm not going to reveal my source but I received a text early Friday morning, December 31st from a coach that stated "Weis is coming to Florida. Done with Chiefs".

I thought it was a joke when I turned my phone on that day. I texted back and forth because I couldn't believe it was true but of course, it was.

This guy isn't an NFL coach but he's a highly respected coach. Trust me, it's a small fraternity and people know the score.

Of anyone, you should know how the media glom onto a pre-conceived stereotype and wear it down to the bone. Rich Gannon's immune?

Gannon is now prescient. Great. All knowing with access to the inner-workings of Arrowhead.

While we're trying to manufacture reasons to either believe or disbelieve the great and powerful Rich Gannon, let's remember that he volunteered his services to the Raiders. The Raiders. And now we're to take his word as Gospel that he knows all about the Chiefs and Haley and what takes place behind closed doors?

FAX

**dirk digler** · 01-11-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"Just to clarify, Todd, you say you will consider calling plays next year?" (direct question)

Haley: "Yeah."

Won't discount anything at this point.

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Brock · 01-11-2011, 05:22 PM

LOL, remember when they faked a punt with Brodie Croyle?

**SAUTO** · 01-11-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why not count Haley? He was the OC, right?

While I appreciate your attempt at a joke, we can only assume - as many of us did when he was hired - that Weis was somewhat forced on Haley.

The situation today tends to lend credence to that thought.

Otherwise, it only makes Haley look worse that his handpicked guy left after 1 year.

Haley's definitely grown on me, but you'd have to be blind not to see that there are some personality issues at play with the guy.

JMO.

haley performed as a oc yes but he didnt fire himself thus he hasnt "gone through 3 ocs so far" but thats JMO

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-11-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Of anyone, you should know how the media glom onto a pre-conceived stereotype and wear it down to the bone. Rich Gannon's immune?

Gannon is now prescient. Great. All knowing with access to the inner-workings of Arrowhead.

While we're trying to manufacture reasons to either believe or disbelieve the great and powerful Rich Gannon, let's remember that he volunteered his services to the Raiders. The Raiders. And now we're to take his word as Gospel that he knows all about the Chiefs and Haley and what takes place behind closed doors?

FAX

Come on, Dude. You know how "fraternities" work. Things are shared "behind closed doors" that aren't shared to the public at large.

Let's put it this way: If I'm "hearing things" from people that I know that eventually are proven to be true, why is it unbelievable that an NFL lifer and broadcaster like Rich Gannon wouldn't hear the same things and far more information and detail?

Hell, my "connections" to the NFL world have to be dwarfed by those of a guy like Gannon.

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