I hope the Pats beat the ever living sh*t

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

They violated a rule, were caught, and were punished. It was three years ago, and their winning percentage post-being-caught (under BB) is higher than it was pre-being-caught.

Feel free to hold it against them forever, that's fine, but if you think they were the only ones doing that kind of thing, you are certainly very much mistaken.

Look, you have to admit that there have not been any amazing 2nd half adjustments by mumbles since the cameras were taken away. and you can try and justify it all you want, but the bottom line is they havent won a super bowl since 2004. and had they still had cameras during that Giants super bowl and knew what plays were coming I doubt the Giants come back in that game.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by D2112

Look, you have to admit that there have not been any amazing 2nd half adjustments by mumbles since the cameras were taken away, and you can try and justify it all you want, but the bottom line is they havent won a super bowl since 2004. and had they still had cameras during that Giants super bowl and knew what plays were coming I doubt the Giants come back in that game.

This actually proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

1. The filming of signals couldn't possibly be done, processed, analyzed and then fed back into BB to make analytical use of by halftime for use in the second half. It's just not feasible.

2. Didn't win a Super Bowl? Yeah, they just had an undefeated season and then lost a Super Bowl with some very lucky/fluky plays went against them. Which I have no problem with. Everyone can use some luck, and the Giants played completely out of their minds that game. They were the better team that day. But it's nto like the Patriots have really struggled since the start of 2007 when all this came out. Obviously that's not remotely true.

3. I don't remember the exact details of the game in terms of score changes, but it was neck and neck throughout and the Giants only came back from one score down at the end. Compare to, say, the AFCC game against the Colts, PRE-SPYGATE, when the Colts roared back in the 2nd half after being down 17 points or whatever at halftime to win.

You think you know what you're talking about, but you don't.

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

This actually proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

1. The filming of signals couldn't possibly be done, processed, analyzed and then fed back into BB to make analytical use of by halftime for use in the second half. It's just not feasible.

Dude! they were filming the Rams walk through before the Super bowl in 2001. did you know that? it wasnt just the games they were video taping. and whats makes you think theyre gonna tip their hat on what they know in the first half anyways?

Originally Posted by Amnorix

2. Didn't win a Super Bowl? Yeah, they just had an undefeated season and then lost a Super Bowl with some very lucky/fluky plays went against them. Which I have no problem with. Everyone can use some luck, and the Giants played completely out of their minds that game. They were the better team that day. But it's nto like the Patriots have really struggled since the start of 2007 when all this came out. Obviously that's not remotely true.

Please, their recent performances in big games have not been all that good. dont you think? Giants super bowl.the Ravens in the playoffs last year? that was unheard of before the cameras were taken away. I wont mension the Colts game because it was 2006.

Originally Posted by Amnorix

3. I don't remember the exact details of the game in terms of score changes, but it was neck and neck throughout and the Giants only came back from one score down at the end. Compare to, say, the AFCC game against the Colts, PRE-SPYGATE, when the Colts roared back in the 2nd half after being down 17 points or whatever at halftime to win.

You think you know what you're talking about, but you don't.

You got me on the Colts game. that was the 2006 season. then what happened in that game?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by D2112

Dude! they were filming the Rams walk through before the Super bowl in 2001. did you know that? it wasnt just the games they were video taping. and whats makes you think theyre gonna tip their hat on what they know in the first half anyways?

I love it!!

The Boston Herald sports writer who reported the New England Patriots taped a pre-Super Bowl walk-through by the St. Louis Rams in 2002 said he will regret the erroneous story for the rest of his life.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3398828

Originally Posted by Boston Herald

On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots' video staff taped the St. Louis Rams' walk-through on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walk-through ever existed

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3395152

Originally Posted by D2112

Please, their recent performances in big games have not been all that good. dont you think? Giants super bowl.the Ravens in the playoffs last year? that was unheard of before the cameras were taken away. I wont mension the Colts game because it was 2006.

So the 16 games they won to complete a perfect season, with pressure mounting, those weren't big games? The divisional round playoff game wasn't a big game in 2007? The AFC Championship Game in 2007 wasn't a big game? Oh, right, they WON those, so they weren't. It was helmet-catch by now-out-of-football David Tyree and Eli Manning escaping by the skin of his teeth from a fourth down sack -- they lost that so that's a big game. The rest weren't.

The game on MNF when they blew the Jets doors out to seize absolutely control of the AFC East and the entire AFC, getting the #1 seed? That wasn't a big game either of course. Because, you know, they won that one.

2008. Brady's knee

2009. A deeply flawed team with a fair number of character issues. Hell, they went only 10-6 against a pretty soft schedule, and then got blown out at home. It just wasn't a very good team.

Originally Posted by D2112

You got me on the Colts game. that was the 2006 season. then what happened in that game?

The Colts played better.

You can't really upset me with this stuff. My father lived to be in his 70s and was a die hard sports fan, especially football and baseball. By the time the Red Sox and Patriots were winning Championships, he didn't know his own name, and died soon thereafter. I've lived to see multiple championships by every Boston sports team there is, except the Bruins who I don't care about anyway.

But you're clearly chock full of incorrect "facts". The Rams taping is like the icing on the cake to prove that.

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I love it!!



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3398828



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3395152



So the 16 games they won to complete a perfect season, with pressure mounting, those weren't big games? The divisional round playoff game wasn't a big game in 2007? The AFC Championship Game in 2007 wasn't a big game? Oh, right, they WON those, so they weren't. It was helmet-catch by now-out-of-football David Tyree and Eli Manning escaping by the skin of his teeth from a fourth down sack -- they lost that so that's a big game. The rest weren't.

The game on MNF when they blew the Jets doors out to seize absolutely control of the AFC East and the entire AFC, getting the #1 seed? That wasn't a big game either of course. Because, you know, they won that one.

2008. Brady's knee

2009. A deeply flawed team with a fair number of character issues. Hell, they went only 10-6 against a pretty soft schedule, and then got blown out at home. It just wasn't a very good team.



The Colts played better.

You can't really upset me with this stuff. My father lived to be in his 70s and was a die hard sports fan, especially football and baseball. By the time the Red Sox and Patriots were winning Championships, he didn't know his own name, and died soon thereafter. I've lived to see multiple championships by every Boston sports team there is, except the Bruins who I don't care about anyway.

But you're clearly chock full of incorrect "facts". The Rams taping is like the icing on the cake to prove that.

WOW..you got me on that one about the Rams.

Now heres a fact for you to chew on. why was all the evidence destroyed? hard to get facts when there's nothing to go by anymore, isnt it? the NFL was so embarrassed by this that they destroyed the evidence. wtf kind of shit is that?

And dude, I like you, Im just busting your chops. thats what I do here and let me tell you something. my father was a ****ing die hard Rangers fan! he died in may of 1994. 2 weeks before those scumbags won the stanley cup. so I hear where you're coming from.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by D2112

WOW..you got me on that one about the Rams.

Now heres a fact for you to chew on. why was all the evidence destroyed? hard to get facts when there's nothing to go by anymore, isnt it? the NFL was so embarrassed by this that they destroyed the evidence. wtf kind of shit is that?

And dude, I like you, Im just busting your chops. thats what I do here and let me tell you something. my father was a ****ing die hard Rangers fan! he died in may of 1994. 2 weeks before those scumbags won the stanley cup. so I here where you're coming from.

Yeah, sorry for your Dad. Just sucks that someone who was so passionate about something couldn't live to see what they wanted so badly come to pass.

The tape destroying -- the NFL did that, as you probably know. They wanted it done gone and never to be revisited, so that's what they did. Go tell Goodell if you don't like it. The Pats lost a 1st round pick out of that -- a guy who would be a third year player right now and probably contributing quite alot to this team, so it's a price that has an ongoing effect for a long time.