Football Is Belichik's ego out of control? - Page 3

B_Ambuehl · 01-17-2011, 10:43 AM

I get the feeling the last few years the man has taken his opinion of his own ability too far and it really shows in the playoffs against good teams. New England has been pounded and dominated the last 2 years against less than stellar opposition.

when you look at the Belichik approach to teambuilding it's obvious he wants 3 things:

1. He doesn't want to pay anybody

2. He doesn't want to deal with distractions

3. He'd rather win with overachievers who won't question anything than talented players who might be apt to open their mouths.

Take this years draft and personnel moves. He likely knew Moss's days were numbered but he still passed on every available upper tier receiving threat. Can you tell me New England's offense couldn't use a Dez Bryant? I believe his receivers had 1 catch yesterday. Also look at his outside pass rushers. In the last 2 years New England has passed on countless quality pass rushers in the draft, in favor of lugs like Jermaine Cunningham. They didn't have a single sack on the QB yesterday and that's inexcusable considering the quantity of draft picks they've had the last few years.

Belchik seems to forget he was able to win superbowls because he had playmakers like Corey Dillon, Richard Seymour, and Rodney Harrison - 3 of the better players and 3 of the more explosive personalities in the league.

Playing with a team full of choirboys next to a hall of fame QB might get you into the playoffs consistently, but to win you need playmakers.

Brock · 01-17-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It's been 4 years since they won a playoff game. More than 2 teams have had better success in recent history. When the Pats were winning superbowls they were running their team much more like other teams do. All the Belichik way stuff hasn't paid off where it counts.

What are those more than 2 teams that have had better success in recent history? The Steelers are probably a better overall organization. What other teams are a more consistent contender than the Patriots?

B_Ambuehl · 01-17-2011, 01:58 PM

If you consider winning in the playoffs a true measure of success than any team that's won a playoff game since '07 has had more recent success than Belichik.

Steelers
Ravens
Jets
Colts
Chargers
Saints
Cardinals
Packers
Cowboys
Bears
Vikings
Seahawks (lol)

You get the point.

Brock · 01-17-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

If you consider winning in the playoffs a true measure of success than any team that's won a playoff game since '07 has had more recent success than Belichik.

Steelers
Ravens
Jets
Colts
Chargers
Saints
Cardinals
Packers
Cowboys
Bears
Vikings
Seahawks (lol)

You get the point.

You're seriously going to call all of those organizations better than the Patriots? Ha ha, okay.

GloryDayz · 01-17-2011, 02:03 PM

I'm not sure about Bill himself, but his wardrobe sure is!!!

**Rausch** · 01-17-2011, 02:09 PM

LOST...

B_Ambuehl · 01-17-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You're seriously going to call all of those organizations better than the Patriots? Ha ha, okay.

They've been more successful where it counts...on the football field in the playoffs.

The Pats media popularity and regular season success haven't transferred to beating good teams in the playoffs in recent history and I think that's largely explained in the OP. Belichik's outlier approach in player personnel and staffing appear to be holding the football team back.

Brock · 01-17-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

They've been more successful where it counts...on the football field in the playoffs.

The Pats media popularity and regular season success haven't transferred to beating good teams in the playoffs in recent history and I think that's largely explained in the OP. Belichik's outlier approach in player personnel and staffing appear to be holding the football team back.

Yeah, holding them back by winning the division like 9 out of the past 10 years. They're serious contenders every year by definition. Good grief, you're being ridiculous.

kcxiv · 01-17-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

He coached the team to a 14-2 record and lost by 7 points in the playoffs to a team with whom they split in the regular season. Really?

Not to mention this was their rebuilding year and they went 14-2. Patriots fans can ****ing **** off and die.

InChiefsHeaven · 01-17-2011, 02:28 PM

So...the Pats won 14 games this year, and lost in the playoffs...yeah...they suck. Bellicheck should be fired...

...what the hell? I'd kill for that kind of success. The Pats are the model for the rest of the NFL. The fact that they don't win the Superbowl every year is now a standard for whether or not the coach is any good...is...ridiculous.

**Rausch** · 01-17-2011, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

They've been more successful where it counts...on the football field in the playoffs.

LOST...

**Dave Lane** · 01-17-2011, 02:48 PM

Just for the record if you decide to cut him loose, we'll take him. I like Haley a lot, but not that much.

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Originally Posted by JD10367

His ego is out of control if you're referring to the stupid ****ing fake punt which cost them 7 points. They punt that ball and probably go into halftime 7-3, not down 14-3. That stupid coaching decision, and Brady playing average and throwing that pick, is what ultimately cost them the ballgame (as did the O-line once again deciding to suck at the worst point in the season a la the 2007 SB, and the defense's inability to stop the Jets when the Pats got it to 14-11).

But that was a brainfart, not an indication of an out-of-control ego. Belichick has done a great job for a decade now. They're always above .500 and challenging for the division title, and have made the playoffs more often than not. This season he took a team most figured for 8-10 wins at best, in a rebuilding year with the youngest defense in the league, two rookies at tight end, and two who-dats at running back (BJGE and Woodhead), and won 14 games, beating a shitload of playoff-bound and playoff-caliber teams. Did he shit his pants yesterday? Yes. Does it irritate the **** out of me that for two seasons in a row his team wasn't prepared for the playoffs? Yes. Does that mean his "ego is out of control"? Uh, no. He's shown that his way works, season in and season out.

**Easy 6** · 01-17-2011, 07:46 PM

I've never been his biggest fan, but if his head was that swollen he'd have never been so cordial to Ryan after the game.

His team got whupped & he showed some class about it.

KCBOSS1 · 01-17-2011, 08:26 PM

I love Bill Belichick. I think that pro athletes are rediculously overpaid, super consumed, rediculous distractions and open their mouths way too much. Old School; makes me like him more than ever. Greatest coach of all time

chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2011, 08:36 PM

Yikes. Full of fail. First of all, the Pats are still a very good franchise. They made the Super Bowl only three years ago and went 14-2 this season. Second of all, the overachievers are the guys who carried the team that far. They're not the problem. The problem is that the Pats for years have been worried about plugging in talent gaps by drafting for need (like drafting Maroney and Chad Jackson) and bringing in shitty leaders like Adalius Thomas and Randy Moss.

The Pats had their first good draft in ages last year. If they have a good draft in 2011 with their gajillion picks, that team is going to be downright scary. What you fail to mention is that the team is kind of rebuilding. You just wouldn't know it, because Brady has the ability to make an elevate the play of an otherwise average team.

**TimeForWasp** · 01-17-2011, 08:54 PM

I will bet the Patriots hate having the first round bye.

01-17-2011, 10:43 AM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	Is Belichik's ego out of control? I get the feeling the last few years the man has taken his opinion of his own ability too far and it really shows in the playoffs against good teams. New England has been pounded and dominated the last 2 years against less than stellar opposition. when you look at the Belichik approach to teambuilding it's obvious he wants 3 things: 1. He doesn't want to pay anybody 2. He doesn't want to deal with distractions 3. He'd rather win with overachievers who won't question anything than talented players who might be apt to open their mouths. Take this years draft and personnel moves. He likely knew Moss's days were numbered but he still passed on every available upper tier receiving threat. Can you tell me New England's offense couldn't use a Dez Bryant? I believe his receivers had 1 catch yesterday. Also look at his outside pass rushers. In the last 2 years New England has passed on countless quality pass rushers in the draft, in favor of lugs like Jermaine Cunningham. They didn't have a single sack on the QB yesterday and that's inexcusable considering the quantity of draft picks they've had the last few years. Belchik seems to forget he was able to win superbowls because he had playmakers like Corey Dillon, Richard Seymour, and Rodney Harrison - 3 of the better players and 3 of the more explosive personalities in the league. Playing with a team full of choirboys next to a hall of fame QB might get you into the playoffs consistently, but to win you need playmakers.
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InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $735437	So...the Pats won 14 games this year, and lost in the playoffs...yeah...they suck. Bellicheck should be fired... ...what the hell? I'd kill for that kind of success. The Pats are the model for the rest of the NFL. The fact that they don't win the Superbowl every year is now a standard for whether or not the coach is any good...is...ridiculous. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	I love Bill Belichick. I think that pro athletes are rediculously overpaid, super consumed, rediculous distractions and open their mouths way too much. Old School; makes me like him more than ever. Greatest coach of all time
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01-17-2011, 08:36 PM	#44
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1595503	Yikes. Full of fail. First of all, the Pats are still a very good franchise. They made the Super Bowl only three years ago and went 14-2 this season. Second of all, the overachievers are the guys who carried the team that far. They're not the problem. The problem is that the Pats for years have been worried about plugging in talent gaps by drafting for need (like drafting Maroney and Chad Jackson) and bringing in shitty leaders like Adalius Thomas and Randy Moss. The Pats had their first good draft in ages last year. If they have a good draft in 2011 with their gajillion picks, that team is going to be downright scary. What you fail to mention is that the team is kind of rebuilding. You just wouldn't know it, because Brady has the ability to make an elevate the play of an otherwise average team.
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01-17-2011, 08:54 PM	#45
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