Justin Houston, Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan - Page 3

Direckshun · 02-09-2011, 12:37 PM

Let's chat about these passrushers, in which there is some remote possibility that one of these three will make it to our pick.

Which ones do you like, which ones don't you like. And why.

I haven't seen too much Mizzou on tape just yet, so I'll let someone else comment on Smith.

Houston definitely has that wow factor, but at this point he's kind of a one-trick pony. He's a speed demon around the edge and he stacks up all his stats on bad teams. I haven't seen any sacks where he swims in, spins, or bullrushes. He just bolts around the corner -- which is intriguing as an OLB (I'd say, of the three, he's the best fit there), but that athleticism is something you can't teach. Moves, you can teach.

Kerrigan I'm not sold on yet, but again, I never seem to like passrushers in the draft. He has a little of that Tyson Jackson feel to him -- like he can be good, but he'll never be a game changer. He doesn't have that explosion in him that the other two seem to have.

Chiefs=Champions · 02-10-2011, 02:22 AM

****, if Smith fell id pick him. Anyone who doubts his potential just go watch the tape that knowmo posted. Explosive is an understatement.

HighChief · 02-10-2011, 03:00 AM

I want some Ryan Kerrigan. This Guy has a history of getting to the QB plus has more than just an around the edge move. Best of these 3 and ayers for that matter against the run. Has Young Vrabel written all over him. Lets hope he has an average combine

Pitt Gorilla · 02-10-2011, 02:21 PM

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Great officiating calling Smith for a hit out of bounds when the guy was still clearly in bounds. Outside of that, LOL at Illinois for thinking they could beat MU.

keg in kc · 02-10-2011, 02:45 PM

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Great officiating calling Smith for a hit out of bounds when the guy was still clearly in bounds. Outside of that, LOL at Illinois for thinking they could beat MU.

Illinois was a real enigma to me last year. I thought they were going to be crap, and that in fact they were crap the first half of the season, but they seemed stronger in Big 10 play, and then they beat the ever-living crap out of Baylor. I wonder if the outcome of the Missouri game would have been different at the end of the season than it was at the beginning, whether they would have had the same kind of second half. Maybe not, Scheelhaase was kind of spastic at times.

(Do not mistake this as me in any way being a fan of Illinois or anti-Mizzou - I still wish they'd gone undefeated...).

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HighChief

I want some Ryan Kerrigan. This Guy has a history of getting to the QB plus has more than just an around the edge move. Best of these 3 and ayers for that matter against the run. Has Young Vrabel written all over him. Lets hope he has an average combine

A "young" Vrabel? ****, I hope not. Vrabel didn't do dick in the NFL until his fifth season and even then, he was just average at best and had only three sacks.

If Smith isn't there, Ayers should be the pick. The Chiefs need a solid, strong side backer that can cover tight ends (do Antonio Gates and Zach Miller ring a bell?) and be a complete OLB, not a one-trick pony.

HighChief · 02-10-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

A "young" Vrabel? ****, I hope not. Vrabel didn't do dick in the NFL until his fifth season and even then, he was just average at best and had only three sacks.

If Smith isn't there, Ayers should be the pick. The Chiefs need a solid, strong side backer that can cover tight ends (do Antonio Gates and Zach Miller ring a bell?) and be a complete OLB, not a one-trick pony.

Ya i agree that we need a cover backer but Ayers seems non interested in the game when i watch clips of him. Just does not seem like he is one that loves the game. Maybe thats just me though.

Lol and by young Vrabel i guess i should have said in his prime Vrabel lol Kerrigan is a plug and play guy. No waiting neccisary

Chiefnj2 · 02-10-2011, 04:13 PM

People get carried away with sacks.

It would be nice to get an edge rusher opposite Hali, hell it's necessary, but that guy has to be versatile. He's got to set the edge on the rush, he's got to play the run, and he has to be able to cover a TE.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 07:42 PM

Actually, if we had a second guy who was of a decent size and could get pressure on the QB, we could run far more nickel packages with Hali and the LOLB playing the role of pass rushers next to Dorsey and another DT.

Green Bay uses this package to a great extent, and Pittsburgh uses it quite a bit as well.

Then you let guys whose bread and butter is covering TEs and WRs actually do it. Pass rushing has a positive effect throughout the entirety of a defense.

jd1020 · 02-10-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HighChief

Ya i agree that we need a cover backer but Ayers seems non interested in the game when i watch clips of him. Just does not seem like he is one that loves the game. Maybe thats just me though.

Lol and by young Vrabel i guess i should have said in his prime Vrabel lol Kerrigan is a plug and play guy. No waiting neccisary

I don't think its a lack of interest. I think its a lack of knowledge. To me, it seems like he doesnt always know what to do. He was moved all over the field. I'll take his upside at 21 over any one of the realistic possibilites at the OLB position at #21.

JimBaker488 · 02-13-2011, 11:06 AM

Playing in both the SEC and as an OLB in the 3-4 makes Houston the player of the three with the least downside. On the other hand Aldon Smith would seem to have the most upside but wow, he's also scary because I'm seeing similarities there to Aaron Maybin ?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-13-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBaker488

Playing in both the SEC and as an OLB in the 3-4 makes Houston the player of the three with the least downside. On the other hand Aldon Smith would seem to have the most upside but wow, he's also scary because I'm seeing similarities there to Aaron Maybin ?

The two couldn't be more dissimilar. Maybin had no pass rushing moves at all and he was really light. Smith has a frame that could easily hold 270 pounds, and he's just as good, if not better, working inside and across the face of a lineman than he is blowing around them.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-13-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HighChief

Ya i agree that we need a cover backer but Ayers seems non interested in the game when i watch clips of him. Just does not seem like he is one that loves the game. Maybe thats just me though.

You have to keep in mind that Rick Neuheisel's staff probably couldn't win or coach at the junior high school level.

If Ayers is "coachable" (and I have reason to believe otherwise), he'd be a great compliment to Hali and an excellent defensive addition.

|Zach| · 02-13-2011, 04:57 PM

Would love to see one of these Mizzou first rounders go to the Chiefs. Not sure if that pick would make sense for us or if we would even be able to get it but it would be fun having Smith around.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-14-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People get carried away with sacks.

It would be nice to get an edge rusher opposite Hali, hell it's necessary, but that guy has to be versatile. He's got to set the edge on the rush, he's got to play the run, and he has to be able to cover a TE.

I believe KC won't go for a rushbacker in the 1st, because In my opinion they'll give Studebaker his shot as the starter because he has been groomed to be the 1st stringer when Vrabel retires

JimBaker488 · 02-14-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The two couldn't be more dissimilar. Maybin had no pass rushing moves at all and he was really light. Smith has a frame that could easily hold 270 pounds, and he's just as good, if not better, working inside and across the face of a lineman than he is blowing around them.

Really ? Both needing to add weight to frame to handle rushing plays, both rated as very athletic, both coming out early. Both projected as 3-4 OLBs at the next level, though they played 4-3 DE in college. And atleast Maybin had multiple good seasons while Smith bascially has only one really successful college season. I see a lot of similarities.

02-09-2011, 12:37 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2113447	Justin Houston, Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan Let's chat about these passrushers, in which there is some remote possibility that one of these three will make it to our pick. Which ones do you like, which ones don't you like. And why. I haven't seen too much Mizzou on tape just yet, so I'll let someone else comment on Smith. Houston definitely has that wow factor, but at this point he's kind of a one-trick pony. He's a speed demon around the edge and he stacks up all his stats on bad teams. I haven't seen any sacks where he swims in, spins, or bullrushes. He just bolts around the corner -- which is intriguing as an OLB (I'd say, of the three, he's the best fit there), but that athleticism is something you can't teach. Moves, you can teach. Kerrigan I'm not sold on yet, but again, I never seem to like passrushers in the draft. He has a little of that Tyson Jackson feel to him -- like he can be good, but he'll never be a game changer. He doesn't have that explosion in him that the other two seem to have.
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