QB Class Starting to Look Like S&@*

[BigCatDaddy]

Anyone else disappointed with the way this QB class is starting to pan out after looking very promising?

Newton has gone Hollywood
Gabbert is scared to throw at the combine
Locker went to hell as a Senior
Mallett being the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf

Ponder is starting to look like the prize QB in this draft to me at this point.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't doubt any of that. Kornheiser said on PTI that Gabbert is "The best QB in the history of the world that no one has ever seen throw."

That's true for most. But a lot of people here HAVE seen him play, and that's why some of the objections tossed out, like claiming his arm isn't that good, are completely specious. And I know aturnis has seen him play because he's an Iowa fan.

Hey man, I don't doubt that Gabbert is the best guy in this draft, but if it weren't for Mallett's questions, it'd be a close race.

Also, the only knocks I have on him are that he played in the spread which is obviously a QB friendly system, and that's really it. He's accurate enough, just think there are many others who are just as accurate who, for one reason or another, don't get the credit. Whether that be previous seasons, the program they played in, or idiot mistakes they made on or off the field. I just don't think the talent from #1 to say #8-10 is that great in this draft.

I'm also VERY sick of seeing guys like Newton and Locker get the top billing. Especially Locker when he's never completed 60% of his passes. Never really thrown 2/1 TD/INT ratio('08 was 1/0 if you want to count it). Never had a Rating of over 130. Potential is usually just that. Potential. Most don't become what they have the potential to be.

Other than that, I only really knock him on the fact that his clear cut #1 status is mostly b/c of other guys character flaws. That and his choice not to throw. Be real, it's not b/c "this agents guys never run". It's b/c this agent reps #1 QB types and encourages them not to throw at the combine so they don't hurt their stock, and let other guys hurt theirs(ala Newton). In the meantime, we are buying time for you to work on your dropback and new throwing mechanics, so that you will have that advantage as well as a familiar environment. Some may not think that is scared, but I do. If you've got it, show me. If your scared to hurt your stock, fine. Not saying it's not smart, it just shows me that his confidence in his pro style throwing mechanics isn't as high as he'd like it to be. Therefore, neither is mine. Work away though. We'll see his pro day, which I'm sure he'll nail. He's had plenty of time to practice.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Matt Ryan played 4 years in a pro-style system and didn't throw
Matt Stafford played 3 years in a pro-style system and didn't throw

They also happen to be repped by CAA.

[aturnis]

point taken on the spread vs. pro system argument. You win that one. Still doesn't discount the strategy of, let the other guys hurt themselves, work on your game and thrown in a comfortable environment. It makes sense that even if you're the best, just being at the combine triggers a lot of nerves.

[Hootie]

I don't feel like getting into any pissing matches this year...

I bet you watched a ton of Clausen last year, Hamas, to pick him #1 overall over Bradford.

ANYWAYS

My gut tells me Gabbert will flop, and Ponder will flourish. Just the eye test, baby.

Ponder conducts himself like a franchise kind of guy...Gabbert has a ridiculous hair cut. If that's how I want to judge my QB's, then I guess that's my prerogative.

Two years ago spread QB's were dead to the drafturbators...now you want to defend Gabbert to the death even though he's a spread QB with a very unimpressive college career?

Haha, ok.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I don't feel like getting into any pissing matches this year...

I bet you watched a ton of Clausen last year, Hamas, to pick him #1 overall over Bradford.

ANYWAYS

My gut tells me Gabbert will flop, and Ponder will flourish. Just the eye test, baby.

Ponder conducts himself like a franchise kind of guy...Gabbert has a ridiculous hair cut. If that's how I want to judge my QB's, then I guess that's my prerogative.

Two years ago spread QB's were dead to the drafturbators...now you want to defend Gabbert to the death even though he's a spread QB with a very unimpressive college career?

Haha, ok.

Spread QBs with marginal talent sets (Tebow) are entirely different than Spread guys who are huge, have big arms, and play in multiple read systems (Gabbert).

And it's actually easy to see a lot of ND when they play a nationally televised game every week. If you ever watched a college football game, you might know that.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Spread QBs with marginal talent sets (Tebow) are entirely different than Spread guys who are huge, have big arms, and play in multiple read systems (Gabbert).

And it's actually easy to see a lot of ND when they play a nationally televised game every week. If you ever watched a college football game, you might know that.

I know that they have a contract with NBC and have it for years and years and years...

that doesn't mean that you drop everything you're doing and watch shitty Notre Dame play a full game every week...

and pretending that you did is hilarious...

Just like pretending like you watched a lot of Bruce Campbell at Maryland...

and Gholston at Ohio State...

you just regurgitate what you "hear" from your favorite draftniks and then try and pass it off as your own...JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

but then you preach it like you know more than everyone else and it makes you look like a ... reerun

it happens every year

[Hootie]

Ponder looked like he had tons of swagger...that is something I want in a QB...

Gabbert looks like a ****ing clown...that is something I don't want in a QB...

Ponder spoke the part...he graduated in 2.5 years with a very impressive degree and GPA...and he played in a pro system that, from what I hear, was very lacking in talent (opposed to what FSU used to be)...

Gabbert is all hype. Is it deserving? Maybe...but the dude did jack shit in college and a lot of Missouri fans were very happy to see him leave. That doesn't pass my gut check very well.

Ponder didn't have a great college career by any means (injuries seemed to deter him a bit)...but I'm enamored with him...and that's my right as a fan.

Ponder to the Chiefs or wait until 2012!

[aturnis]

Stanzi doesn't have much on youtube, people seem to like to hear him talk more than anything.


Stanzi to DJK. Quite a few deep to intermediate routes that require arm strength. Also, a lot of throwing on the move.


Here are some with him and McNutt, plenty of deep balls, well placed, and some touch passes thrown in. Pay attention to how well he throws on the run under pressure. Might not always be pretty, but effective often.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I know that they have a contract with NBC and have it for years and years and years...

that doesn't mean that you drop everything you're doing and watch shitty Notre Dame play a full game every week...

and pretending that you did is hilarious...

Just like pretending like you watched a lot of Bruce Campbell at Maryland...

and Gholston at Ohio State...

you just regurgitate what you "hear" from your favorite draftniks and then try and pass it off as your own...JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

but then you preach it like you know more than everyone else and it makes you look like a ... reerun

it happens every year

Dumbass.

I watched all of the Notre Dame-Stanford Game and the Notre Dame-USC game in '09, as well as chunks of the Michigan game. Clausen had a hell of a second half.

I watched a lot of OSU during Gholston's sophomore year (8 sacks), because they were the local team where I lived.

I didn't watch Campbell play and never claimed that I did, other than some clips. I selected him where I did in the draft because I felt like it was a good value pick for a team like the Pats, who could allow him to develop at a slower pace with a huge payoff down the line. If that's a bad evaluation, then so be it, but it's not based on his haircut, or 8 seconds of an interview.

[aturnis]

Meat_Dragon. Still want to know what you didn't like about Stanzi...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Gabbert is all hype. Is it deserving? Maybe...but the dude did jack shit in college and a lot of Missouri fans were very happy to see him leave. That doesn't pass my gut check very well.

He won 18 games in two years at a previously mediocre DI school
He beat the #1 team in the country in a nationally televised game, in arguably, the second biggest regular season game in the history of the school.

The only MU fan I know that was happy to see him go was frazod.

You are so bad at reading and arguing it's almost inconceivable. You just make shit up and (terribly) try to go from there.

[aturnis]

So is it the haircut like you hate Broadway Joe and Tom Brady too? Or is it that he looks like a total frat-boy?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hey Hootie, who did you want us to take at 5 last year?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/poll....ts&pollid=9024

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He won 18 games in two years at a previously mediocre DI school

Same with Stanzi. 17 W's plus two Bowl wins. Not including his 2008 season where he and Christensen split time and Stanzi ultimately won out. All with mediocre talent around him as well.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Same with Stanzi. 17 W's plus two Bowl wins. Not including his 2008 season where he and Christensen split time and Stanzi ultimately won out. All with mediocre talent around him as well.

The difference is that Stanzi was basically asked to manage the game for most of his college career. Gabbert was slinging it as the primary playmaker from day one.