QB Class Starting to Look Like S&@* - Page 16

BigCatDaddy · 02-25-2011, 06:38 PM

Anyone else disappointed with the way this QB class is starting to pan out after looking very promising?

Newton has gone Hollywood
Gabbert is scared to throw at the combine
Locker went to hell as a Senior
Mallett being the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf

Ponder is starting to look like the prize QB in this draft to me at this point.

Hootie · 03-01-2011, 12:20 PM

I don't trust black QB's...period.

Track record is just terrible...I don't want their entourages, I don't want their ghetto leach families...

it's unfortunate, but it's true

I'd tell Newton he can be the #1 pick but he's going to have clauses in his contract to protect the franchise.

Not ok with it? Then Gabbert it is.

BigCatDaddy · 03-01-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Says the guy saying a #3 ranked receiver almost gaurentees a top 20 pick.

Do you mean guarantees? I said guarantee?

jd1020 · 03-01-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Do you mean guarantees? I said guarantee?

I said almost aswell.

aturnis · 03-01-2011, 12:34 PM

Wow, pretty sure your math IS wrong. Not one single stat you have listed of Newton's is double that of Kaepernick's.

Cam Newton will be a first round pick. I personally would not spend more than a late second on him. He is a physical specemin, but right now, he is a terrible QB. He has potential, but I honestly don't think he'll translate. Wouldn't take Locker til late 2nd either.

jd1020 · 03-01-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Wow, pretty sure your math IS wrong. Not one single stat you have listed of Newton's is double that of Kaepernick's.

I like how you idiots assume I'm comparing Kaepernick's numbers to Newton's when I was comparing each players Pass/Run stats with themselves.

Kaepernicks stats are a mirror ****ing image.

Newton doubled his production as a passer and was way more productive as a passer than Kaepernick.

It's likely neither one will be very productive at the NFL level. But if I had to choose which one is going to be a franchise QB I'd pick Newton.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Kaepernick transition to a WRqb. He's dangerous in the open field and has very good speed. He could also throw reverse/flea flicker bombs down field.

aturnis · 03-01-2011, 12:38 PM

Pay to play isn't the half of Newton's flaws. Stealing laptops, cheating on tests and reportedly stealing things from teammates lockers.(last one I hadn't read about, but a combine analyst listed it on top of the laptop allegations) He's a lazy thief.

Chiefnj2 · 03-01-2011, 12:43 PM

People really downplay how good of a collegiate passer Newton was.

This past year, against 7 top 25 teams (3 top 10) he had a 64.6 completion % and 14TDs to 2 Ints. Really good numbers against the toughest schedule (IMO).

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So you are already moving the goal post?

Goalposts?

You're the guy that proclaimed that Newton would fall to the second round, not me.

The guy is 6'5, 248 and lean. He's powerful and while he's certainly a project (as is every other QB available in this draft), there are far too many teams that would be willing to risk a first round pick, especially if he were to fall out of the Top Ten, on a guy like him.

He'd have to have had sex with his sister to drop out of the first round.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Pay to play isn't the half of Newton's flaws. Stealing laptops, cheating on tests and reportedly stealing things from teammates lockers.(last one I hadn't read about, but a combine analyst listed it on top of the laptop allegations) He's a lazy thief.

That's right.

At least Ricky Stanzi is a goddamned AMERICAN!

Brock · 03-01-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense. They have the toughest schedule next year, they will still have a terrible team with a new headcoach bringing in a new system.

I'd pass on both QB's and draft other positions to build the talent around Luck. They've got a damn good chance at being the worst team in the league, again.

No team is going to gamble on "Well, we might get the number one pick again".

jd1020 · 03-01-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

No team is going to gamble on "Well, we might get the number one pick again".

It's not a gamble though. Throw away the season in the first of many rebuilding years under a new FO to grab the best franchise prospect out of the 2 years.

It's not like the NBA where a colored ping pong ball decides.

Brock · 03-01-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

It's not a gamble though. Throw away the season in the first of many rebuilding years under a new FO to grab the best franchise prospect out of the 2 years.

It's not like the NBA where a colored ping pong ball decides.

It is a gamble. You cannot predict that there won't be a team with a worse record. That's just silly.

jd1020 · 03-01-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

It is a gamble. You cannot predict that there won't be a team with a worse record. That's just silly.

You can't get much worse than 0-16 if you wanted to. The only way they wouldn't be #1 in that situation is if another team went 0-16. I'd like my chances better with their schedule and their team passing on Gabbert/Newton at #1 this year to make a run at Luck next year. Give me Fairley this year.

Now if another team wants Fairley and they can trade out of that first and get Gabbert/Newton later, then I'd jump that. But at #1? Nope.

Bewbies · 03-01-2011, 01:10 PM

We have a guy on this board that would take Stanzi with a 2nd, but wouldn't touch Newton with anything higher than a "late" second? Am I reading that he'd take Stanzi over Cam Newton?

The homervision is strong in this one.

Brock · 03-01-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You can't get much worse than 0-16 if you wanted to. The only way they wouldn't be #1 in that situation is if another team went 0-16. I'd like my chances better with their schedule and their team passing on Gabbert/Newton at #1 this year to make a run at Luck next year. Give me Fairley this year.

Now if another team wants Fairley and they can trade out of that first and get Gabbert/Newton later, then I'd jump that. But at #1? Nope.

You're telling me that an NFL team would make a conscious decision to throw 16 games. That's ridiculous.

02-25-2011, 06:38 PM
BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $-1640878	QB Class Starting to Look Like S&@* Anyone else disappointed with the way this QB class is starting to pan out after looking very promising? Newton has gone Hollywood Gabbert is scared to throw at the combine Locker went to hell as a Senior Mallett being the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf Ponder is starting to look like the prize QB in this draft to me at this point.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I don't trust black QB's...period. Track record is just terrible...I don't want their entourages, I don't want their ghetto leach families... it's unfortunate, but it's true I'd tell Newton he can be the #1 pick but he's going to have clauses in his contract to protect the franchise. Not ok with it? Then Gabbert it is.
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03-01-2011, 12:34 PM	#229
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	Wow, pretty sure your math IS wrong. Not one single stat you have listed of Newton's is double that of Kaepernick's. Cam Newton will be a first round pick. I personally would not spend more than a late second on him. He is a physical specemin, but right now, he is a terrible QB. He has potential, but I honestly don't think he'll translate. Wouldn't take Locker til late 2nd either.
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	Pay to play isn't the half of Newton's flaws. Stealing laptops, cheating on tests and reportedly stealing things from teammates lockers.(last one I hadn't read about, but a combine analyst listed it on top of the laptop allegations) He's a lazy thief.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6674388	People really downplay how good of a collegiate passer Newton was. This past year, against 7 top 25 teams (3 top 10) he had a 64.6 completion % and 14TDs to 2 Ints. Really good numbers against the toughest schedule (IMO). __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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03-01-2011, 01:10 PM	#239
Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	We have a guy on this board that would take Stanzi with a 2nd, but wouldn't touch Newton with anything higher than a "late" second? Am I reading that he'd take Stanzi over Cam Newton? The homervision is strong in this one.
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