Justin Houston, Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan

[Direckshun]

Let's chat about these passrushers, in which there is some remote possibility that one of these three will make it to our pick.

Which ones do you like, which ones don't you like. And why.

I haven't seen too much Mizzou on tape just yet, so I'll let someone else comment on Smith.

Houston definitely has that wow factor, but at this point he's kind of a one-trick pony. He's a speed demon around the edge and he stacks up all his stats on bad teams. I haven't seen any sacks where he swims in, spins, or bullrushes. He just bolts around the corner -- which is intriguing as an OLB (I'd say, of the three, he's the best fit there), but that athleticism is something you can't teach. Moves, you can teach.

Kerrigan I'm not sold on yet, but again, I never seem to like passrushers in the draft. He has a little of that Tyson Jackson feel to him -- like he can be good, but he'll never be a game changer. He doesn't have that explosion in him that the other two seem to have.

[Bewbies]

I agree, good football takes are always welcome.

So is snarky..

[Bewbies]

I'll add a bit to the discussion I suppose.

I'd love to see us add Jones from GB, but Breaston from ARI would be a great get too. Even in picking up a #2 WR in FA, I'd still like to see us draft one as well. And if the right guy was there, say Julio Jones (dream on), I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a WR in the 1st. That would give him some time to grow, and not be expected to be a stud right out of the gate.

On the D-line we need more bodies, period. Smith and Dorsey both have proven they belong, and Gilberry seems to be a great rotational guy. Jackson has shown some possibility, but we won't really know, and can't render final verdict until this season. He needs 3 years, and if he shows the same progression Dorsey has (which most of us doubt) that'd be fantastic. We clearly need 2-3 more players for our D-line rotation. I'd like to see us grab a FA NT (Solai or Rogers) say, and still draft another. Again, instant contributor and a guy who can grow into the role. Would not hesitate to take a NT at 1, if the right guy is there. Where the NT's rate don't ask me, I'm not smarter than a Pioli.

O-line we need more bodies obviously there too. The biggest need is C, Kahlil would be a great move. Drafting one capable of starting day one would be pretty good too. Either way we need at least 1 T, 1G and 1 or 2 C's. Not all of them need to be starters, but we do need a C who can start. I'd also love to see Asamoah start, maybe for our "Pro-Bowl" G Brian Waters. More beef and strength in the middle would help this team out a ton. A good C will do way more for us than a great RT would. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that our O-line is shit, mainly because Waters can't get out of his stance and Asamoah is forced to play LT by default. Plus Richardson sucks worse than Albert, who's worse than anal wart soup for dinner.

Also of huge need is LB. In my mind we need at least 1 LB at each position. We need an OLB that's not so much a pass rusher, but we need another pass rusher too. We have 1 LB that can rush the passer, God help us if Hali ever gets hurt. We could use another ILB too.

Realistically, all of this stuff above will have to come together creating a defense worthy of the 2000 Ravens if we're ever going to turn into a Super Bowl winner. Our biggest need is QB, but there's 0 hope that'll be addressed this year, save a jackpot discovery a la Tom Brady. Considering that's happened 1 time in this history of the league, I suppose our chances are pretty good.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by nicfre2006

I didn't mean to hijack this thread.....sorry.

Oh yeah, well **** you.

(I favor brevity)

[nicfre2006]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh yeah, well **** you.

(I favor brevity)

Dude...sorry - thanks for the welcome.

[Direckshun]

I feel like everybody is too busy liking you to properly welcome you to ChiefsPlanet:

Suck on my taint-hairs, assnugget. May your mother die of canceraids.

There.

Continue.

Also, rep.

[Direckshun]

By the way, Soliai would be an excellent get. He's a young guy looking for his second contract.

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

By the way, Soliai would be an excellent get. He's a young guy looking for his second contract.

That's the right time to sign a guy. I hate when we break the bank on some guys 3rd or 4th contract.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by nicfre2006

Hey guys...first post in here.

Personally, I really like Justin Houston. Living down south and being married to a family of Georgia fans, I have had an opportunity to watch Houston closely. I really think he has the potential to be a very good all around 3-4 outside linebacker. Keep in mind that both Aldon Smith and Ryan Kerrigan have experience as college 4-3 defensive ends, while Houston played 4-3 defensive end and 3-4 outside linebacker (last year), so he has some familiarity with the basic assignments and responsibilities. While he is known for his pass rushing, I do think he has an underrated all-around game. He has sideline-to-sideline range and very good athleticism to track the play and get through the trash. I do think he could improve in disengaging from blocks while moving toward the ball carrier.

Aldon Smith arguably has one of the highest ceilings of the 4-3 defensive ends that also project to 3-4 outside linebacker. His is very raw and has relied on his explosiveness and superior athleticism to make plays. He doesn't have the understanding of technique yet largely due to his inexperience, so there is some caution that he may never reach his substantial potential if he doesn't make the necessary adjustments and grasp the mental aspects of the position. As you guys mentioned, I don't think Smith will be on the board when we select at #21 because in the end, I think he could fit in either the 4-3 or 3-4 scheme. Personally, I think he could possibly be a better fit as a pass rushing 4-3 defensive end provided a team has some patience with him and can use him in pass rushing situations.

Ryan Kerrigan is an intriguing prospect. He doesn't jump out at you with his athleticism like Smith, but he has an excellent motor and has a good awareness of how the play is unfolding around him. Some might call me crazy, but I could see him fitting in as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the scheme that the Chiefs and Patriots employ. He reminds me of a more athletically gifted Mike Vrabel. I wouldn't be shocked if the Patriots grabbed him with their higher first round pick - if he is still on the board. I am very interested in seeing how he does at the combine in the agility drills as that will go a long way in showing if he has the versatility to play in either scheme. He did show up at the Senior Bowl at around 255 lbs., and that shows me that he is trying to showcase his abilities to play in either scheme.

An option I wanted to throw out there outside of the first round is Arizona defensive end Brooks Reed. He showed very good explosiveness and athleticism at the Senior Bowl and actually has some very good workout numbers coming to Arizona out of high school. Like Kerrigan, he is known for his motor and tenacity along with a pretty good repertoire of pass rush moves for a college player. If he performs well at the combine in agility drills, I could see him moving into solid second round territory. I think he is a name to keep an eye on should the Chiefs go in a different direction in the first round.

too many words noob. If you haven't figured it out by now, the CP way to approach the draft is to simply say someone sucks or they will lead the team to teh superbowl and that anyone that disagrees with you is and idiot who should die in a fire from a flaming aids tree while sipping on antifreeze.

Welcome aboard.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Found a better Justin Houston video

[JimBaker488]

The Combine definitely was not kind to Aldon Smith. This is a guy who was supposed to be one of those physical/athletic freaks who wowed all of those spectators at the Combine comprised of large numbers of NFL coachs & scouts, yet he comes away with a SLOWER 40 time than both Houston & Kerrigan. Yikes ! Justin Huston on the other hand was a very big winner - weighs in at 270 lbs yet runs a sub 4.7 40.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

The Combine definitely was not kind to Aldon Smith. This is a guy who was supposed to be one of those physical/athletic freaks who wowed all of those spectators at the Combine comprised of large numbers of NFL coachs & scouts, yet he comes away with a SLOWER 40 time than both Houston & Kerrigan. Yikes ! Justin Huston on the other hand was a very big winner - weighs in at 270 lbs yet runs a sub 4.7 40.

Houston didn't look very smooth in space.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

The Combine definitely was not kind to Aldon Smith. This is a guy who was supposed to be one of those physical/athletic freaks who wowed all of those spectators at the Combine comprised of large numbers of NFL coachs & scouts, yet he comes away with a SLOWER 40 time than both Houston & Kerrigan. Yikes ! Justin Huston on the other hand was a very big winner - weighs in at 270 lbs yet runs a sub 4.7 40.

I thought that might happen.

He just hasn't looked right since his broken leg. His speed never really came back and he was a non-factor through almost the entire conference season.

I thought he should've stayed in to prove he was healthy. However, if his speed's not back by now, it might not ever come back. If that's the case, he was probably wise to come out early before the scouts saw that his speed wasn't going to return.

I could be reading too much into a combine workout, but he simply didn't look very good after his leg injury last season.

[buddha]

Aldon has mad physical skills. I think he can develop into a very good pass rusher...he's not that yet. He's nowhere close to being a good run stopper...he's weak at the point of attack, but he can run things down. He's a work in progress, but if a team is willing to make the investment and use him in the right situations, I think he'd be effective right away. If you throw him out there immediately and hope he can be a three down guy, he won't be. As for him being a stand up 3-4 backer? He could pass rush from that position just fine. He did drop back in some zone blitz situations for MU last year and even intercepted a pass his first game back from his leg injury. I wouldn't ask him to get involved with pass coverage in the NFL.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

The Combine definitely was not kind to Aldon Smith. This is a guy who was supposed to be one of those physical/athletic freaks who wowed all of those spectators at the Combine comprised of large numbers of NFL coachs & scouts, yet he comes away with a SLOWER 40 time than both Houston & Kerrigan. Yikes ! Justin Huston on the other hand was a very big winner - weighs in at 270 lbs yet runs a sub 4.7 40.

Do not concur at all. Worrying about a few hundreths of a second for a DE in the forty is meaningless. If you watched Aldon Smith in his workouts and drills at the combine, dude was IMPRESSIVE. He moved like a panther out there and Mayock commented on him every time he came up. I don't think he is 100% back from his leg break...who would be? If he moves this well and he's still mending, just imagine where he'll end up when he's fully healed?

He does need to get stronger.

[Titty Meat]

Would much rather have Aldon Smith over the other 2 names you listed