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Old 03-04-2011, 11:45 AM   #1
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The problem with the line is not Albert. The problem with the line is that Wiegmann, while adequate in space hitting second level blocks on run plays, does not effectively drive block against any sizable linemen, and is basically a turnstile in pass protection against any remotely good defensive tackle. Which actually hurts the pass protection in a larger way, because he has to have guard help. He's too light (particularly by year's end) and he's too old (also more of an issue late in the season). I like the guy, he was good for years, but that ship has sailed.

The other problem is that the franchise has been trying to find a right tackle since 2002, when Tait went to the Bears, and has so far failed to do so.

Those are the problems that need to be addressed. Finding someone to take Albert's spot at this juncture would be a luxury, not a necessity, and it would also, I think, be premature.
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Old 03-04-2011, 11:48 AM   #2
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The problem with the line is not Albert. The problem with the line is that Wiegmann, while adequate in space hitting second level blocks on run plays, does not effectively drive block against any sizable linemen, and is basically a turnstile in pass protection against any remotely good defensive tackle. Which actually hurts the pass protection in a larger way, because he has to have guard help. He's too light (particularly by year's end) and he's too old (also more of an issue late in the season). I like the guy, he was good for years, but that ship has sailed.

The other problem is that the franchise has been trying to find a right tackle since 2002, when Tait went to the Bears, and has so far failed to do so.

Those are the problems that need to be addressed. Finding someone to take Albert's spot at this juncture would be a luxury, not a necessity, and it would also, I think, be premature.
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Old 03-04-2011, 12:04 PM   #3
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The problem with the line is not Albert. The problem with the line is that Wiegmann, while adequate in space hitting second level blocks on run plays, does not effectively drive block against any sizable linemen, and is basically a turnstile in pass protection against any remotely good defensive tackle. Which actually hurts the pass protection in a larger way, because he has to have guard help. He's too light (particularly by year's end) and he's too old (also more of an issue late in the season). I like the guy, he was good for years, but that ship has sailed.

The other problem is that the franchise has been trying to find a right tackle since 2002, when Tait went to the Bears, and has so far failed to do so.

Those are the problems that need to be addressed. Finding someone to take Albert's spot at this juncture would be a luxury, not a necessity, and it would also, I think, be premature.
The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

So replacing him, while not a priority, is also not out of the question.

Replacing Weigman is a priority, though.
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Old 03-04-2011, 12:49 PM   #4
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The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.
In your opinion, is that from lack of talent (or drive) or crappy coaching?
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:05 PM   #5
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The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

So replacing him, while not a priority, is also not out of the question.

Replacing Weigman is a priority, though.
Albert, even without progressing from where he was in 2009 (or 2010), is a passable starting left tackle. This isn't Jordan Black starting out there. Is he Jonathan Ogden? No, he's not. But he's not the weak link on the line by any stretch.

The problems on the line are immediately to his right. And I don't just mean Wiegmann. Waters is 34 and has been on a steady spiral down since Roaf retired. And then there's Wiegmann.

Get a better center, and I think the impact ripples outward. Get a better left guard to boot (although I haven't heard a word about that happening...) and I think all of a sudden Albert looks like a lot better player.

In a lot of ways, line play is a sum of the parts. As far as those parts go, Albert is at the worst the 2nd best cog we have (Lilja probably played the best last year). The right tackle position has been a hole for years. Center play has been a problem for years. And Waters is an increasing problem as time passes.

I believe that replacing Albert, as I said before, would be a luxury move at this point. Bigger fish to fry. Unless you can bring in a hall of fame calibre vet for a song the way that Roaf came over in 2002. And I think we all know what the odds of that kind of lightning striking twice are.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:16 AM   #6
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Didn't sacc also state that weigman was the best o line player we had last year? Waters was number two IIRC
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The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

So replacing him, while not a priority, is also not out of the question.

Replacing Weigman is a priority, though.
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:35 PM   #7
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Didn't sacc also state that weigman was the best o line player we had last year? Waters was number two IIRC
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He was.

He is also 38 years old and is pondering retirement. Getting a suitable replacement behind him is a priority. That is, unless you are satisfied with Niswanger.
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He was.

He is also 38 years old and is pondering retirement. Getting a suitable replacement behind him is a priority. That is, unless you are satisfied with Niswanger.
What? He was the reason why we struggled in short yardage situations and got ate up by 3-4 defenses.
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What? He was the reason why we struggled in short yardage situations and got ate up by 3-4 defenses.
Don't worry, we don't need short yardage anymore, we have a stud ass speedster in Kevin Curtis now.
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What? He was the reason why we struggled in short yardage situations and got ate up by 3-4 defenses.
Obviously, you didn't watch any Chief games this year.
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Obviously, you didn't watch any Chief games this year.
You're an idiot.

An idiot of such epic proportions that I can't even begin to do justice to with a rant to describe your idiocy.
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