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03-07-2011, 05:35 PM | #1547 |
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You could use Hollinger's VORP or Wins added, but that even makes LeBron look better than he does with win shares.
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03-07-2011, 05:36 PM | #1548 | |
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And if you're looking for a clean little number to 'objectively measure the value of a player'...just stop watching. At that point, sports become little more than strat-o-matic nonsense.
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Wake me when the NBA boys actually come up with an idea of their own.
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03-07-2011, 05:45 PM | #1552 |
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Really, it's still amazing to me that people refuse to admit how good LeBron James is. And it's not just this forum...it's basketball fans all over the place. He may not be MJ, but he's pretty damn close.
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03-07-2011, 05:50 PM | #1553 | |
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If they didn't have James they could have 2 or maybe 3 other good players who would make up your stupid win stat. |
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03-07-2011, 05:53 PM | #1554 |
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I dislike him and want to see him fail as well, but that isn't going to blind me to the facts. |
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03-07-2011, 05:58 PM | #1556 |
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No, the idiocy is putting him up there with the Birds/Jordans/Magics/Russells/Chamberlains of the world.
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03-07-2011, 06:01 PM | #1557 | |
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You'll probably make some weak argument that he doesn't have any championships, but I shouldn't have to remind anybody that MJ didn't win until he was 28 (or until an actual good team was constructed around him). |
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03-07-2011, 06:08 PM | #1558 |
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I don't think anybody is saying that he isn't a really good/great player. He's a bad fit on this team, period. You almost have to remove him (or Wade), and replace them with good players at PG and C. That would be a better Heat team than the one currently constructed, and I don't think there's much debate. Wade would be more productive without LBJ, as would Bosh. They would have added a solid, defensive minded center and a point guard that could consistently knock down shots and spread the floor (assuming the addition of the PG and C).
You could also argue that spending some of that money on a bench would be vitally important. Look at the teams with the best records this season, and for the most part you have really strong second units. The Heat are garbage on their second unit. |
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03-07-2011, 06:22 PM | #1559 | |
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Second, Jordan was 21 as a rookie, compared to James, who was 19. To match the Jordan scenario (who is not the player I'd be looking to match, since I'd be looking at the likes of Magic, Bird and Russell, who all won in their first two years), James needs to win this year, so I'm not sure why you'd use this as an argument on your side of the discussion. Third, Jordan didn't win until the better teams collapsed, which kept him from amassing more championships. Jordan never beat the Celtics or Lakers great teams, and he only beat the Pistons after they were finished (I'll leave the arguments about "why" to other threads/people). Where are those great teams stopping James? |
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I can't believe I'm getting into an argument with a guy, who by his own criteria for greatness, would have been criticizing Michael Jordan for not being good enough in 1991. |
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