If you could virtually eliminate drunk driving, would you do it?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Then I'm confused about what part of his post you took issue with. He seemed to be pointing out the two weren't equal because one puts others at risk as opposed to just yourself. If you agree why does he have to be kidding you? Because what he said is too obvious?

No, his argument was lousy on several levels. Only one of those was the attempt to distance the particular laws from one another when I'd made no attempt at an equation.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, his argument was lousy on several levels. Only one of those was the attempt to distance the particular laws from one another when I'd made no attempt at an equation.

Ok. So you took time to mock an argument that you agreed with in principle, but felt was poorly made. That's kinda weird.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Ok. So you took time to mock an argument that you agreed with in principle, but felt was poorly made. That's kinda weird.

Who said I agreed with it in principle? His argument was lousy. It wasn't just because he was arguing against a non-existent equation.

DUI does not cause you to swerve over the center line and hit an oncoming car head on. There are DUI situations that don't end in a crossed yellow line and head on collision, and there are sober drivers who do cross the line and hit oncoming traffic.

DUI does not cause you to slam into the back of a parked car. There are DUI situations that don't end with slamming into a parked car, and there are sober drivers who do hit parked cars.

[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Who said I agreed with it in principle? His argument was lousy. It wasn't just because he was arguing against a non-existent equation.

DUI does not cause you to swerve over the center line and hit an oncoming car head on. There are millions of DUI situations that don't end in a crossed yellow line and head on collision, and there are sober drivers who do cross the line and hit oncoming traffic.

DUI does not cause you to slam into the back of a parked car. There are millions of DUI situations that don't end with slamming into a parked car, and there are sober drivers who do hit parked cars.

Dues

Who's arguement is a lousy one? My arguement is about the constitutional presumption of innocence and the ability of asshats to circumvent laws while law abiding citizens suffer the constitutional violation of rights and pay taxes to yet another innefective government overlord...

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

Dues

Who's arguement is a lousy one? My arguement is about the constitutional presumption of innocence and the ability of asshats to circumvent laws while law abiding citizens suffer the constitutional violation of rights and pay taxes to yet another innefective government overlord...

Fat Elvis'

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[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Fat Elvis'

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OK we's cool....

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Fat Elvis'

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OK, poorly worded late at night. There is NOT a causal relationship between driving drunk and swerving into the other lane nor is there a causal relationship between driving drunk and running into the back of someone. There is, however, a strong correlation between those activities: People who drive drunk tend to swerve; people who do drive drunk tend to have slower reflexes. Better?

Your argument regarding seat belts and helmets still don't apply to anything.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

OK, poorly worded late at night. There is NOT a causal relationship between driving drunk and swerving into the other lane nor is there a causal relationship between driving drunk and running into the back of someone. There is, however, a strong correlation between those activities: People who drive drunk tend to swerve; people who do drive drunk tend to have slower reflexes. Better?

Your argument regarding seat belts and helmets still don't apply to anything.

Nowhere in this thread did I argue about seat belts and helmets, or equate those laws with DUI laws. All I did was point out that we'd been having a similar discussion regarding the willing sacrificing of freedoms in another thread:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

People are always willing to justify the sacrificing of freedoms instead of accepting that freedoms can come with a price. We were having the same sort of back and forth about helmet and seat belt laws in the Vrabel thread.

As to your correlation argument, there's also a correlation between driving sober and swerving, and there are correlations between all manner of distracted driving and slower reaction times.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Who said I agreed with it in principle? His argument was lousy. It wasn't just because he was arguing against a non-existent equation.

DUI does not cause you to swerve over the center line and hit an oncoming car head on. There are DUI situations that don't end in a crossed yellow line and head on collision, and there are sober drivers who do cross the line and hit oncoming traffic.

DUI does not cause you to slam into the back of a parked car. There are DUI situations that don't end with slamming into a parked car, and there are sober drivers who do hit parked cars.

How very Jenson71 of you.