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Old 04-12-2011, 12:55 PM  
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1. Derek Sherrod, OT; Mississippi State: 6'5", 321 lbs.
- Big, athletic and intelligent. Experienced and played against top pass rushers/ends his entire career. Very intuitive and equally good in both the run and pass. Has all the intangibles and should play at a high level at either tackle spot.



2. Sam Acho, OLB/DE; Texas: 6'2", 259 lbs.
- An athletic and smart combo end who won nearly every leadership, academic and sportsmanship award there is in 2010 including the Campbell Trophy. Team captain. Had 9 sacks and led the nation with 5 fumble recoveries in 2010. Has very good change of direction as well as a good initial burst and size/strength to drive the point of attack. Has the potential to be a very effective 3-4 LOLB. This guy defines hard work, character and on-the-field production.




3. Jerrell Powe, NT; Ole Miss: 6'3", 335 lbs.
- Massive and strong, Powe was a Rebels team captain in 2010. Did not qualify academically his first two years of college because of an undiagnosed dyslexia situation, but he stuck with it and ended up playing all four years. A former high school Army All-American. Much better character and work ethic at the same size than a guy like Phil Taylor.




4. Vincent Brown, WR; San Diego State: 5'11", 187 lbs.
- With long arms and huge hands, Brown plays substantially bigger than his frame suggests. A classic possession type receiver that knows how to get open, make the hard catch and find the end zone. Had 1300+ yards and 10 touchdowns in 2010. Ran a 4.58 40 and posted a 36 inch vertical at his pro day.



5. Zane Taylor, C; Utah: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- First team all-conference as both player and academic. Team captain. Three year starter at center. Very strong (41 reps at 225 at his Pro Day), smart and experienced. Is very effective is standing up even the biggest nose tackles (watch his performance as a sophomore against Terrance Cody in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl - just annihilates the bigger Cody play after play). Excellent work ethic.



5. Ricky Stanzi, QB; Iowa: 6'4", 223 lbs.
- After several lackluster years, Stanzi had a very good senior season in 2010 setting a school single season record for passing efficiency. 25 TDs against 6 INTs in 2010 and went 26-9 as a starter. Excellent size and good leadership.



6. Darius Morris, OT; Temple: 6'4", 318 lbs.
- First team all-conference after starting all 12 games in 2010 at right tackle for the Owls (started 11 games at RT in 2009).



7. Robert Hughes, RB/FB; Notre Dame: 5'11", 240 lbs.
- Former High School All-American at running back, he has very good hands and elusiveness in the open field. Is also adapt at using his tree stump frame to smash through the line in short yardage situations. Really fits the Haley system in terms of a versatile fullback.

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Old 04-23-2011, 11:45 AM   #61
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Man, I know what you mean. Anyone who would question the Berry pick has got to be a complete idiot.

Okung/Bulaga and TJ Ward/Nate Allen

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Berry and McCluster?

That's crazy talk.

Especially considering that we still have Richardson and Albert as our starting tackles.

Awesome.
The fact you have to throw McCluster into the mix pretty much destroys any worthwhile point you had to make.
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:51 AM   #62
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I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).
Seriously. Stop. This has turned into some kind of butthurt crusade on your part to try and convince anyone that Okung would have been a better pick for us than Berry. He wouldn't have been. I'll gladly keep a Branden Albert if it means replacing a Mike Brown with an Eric Berry. For ****'s sake, man.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:03 PM   #63
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There is no way he does. Here are some "stats" from a safety that had one of the worst seasons I've ever seen. Mike Brown during his one year in KC had...

103 Tackles
2 Sacks
3 INTs

Sac was probably like "hell yeah, we got ourselves a kickass safety". "Look at those numbers!!!"
That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:35 PM   #64
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That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.
You should really quit posting, you make yourself look like a bigger ****ing idiot everytime you post.
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:10 PM   #65
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That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.
you are straight up ****ing reeruned, and I now know for a fact you don't even watch Chiefs games....

Berry is so much better than the safeties you listed it isn't even funny...and it's obvious to anyone who actually watched...

and we didn't lose "games" because of Berry...and it was Lewis getting torched repeatedly from mid-season on that hurt our secondary the most...

and no one wants to "draft a pass rusher over Hali"....literally not one person

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Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.
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Dude, he has said that for months. Crazy talk. I literally have not seen anyone else say that. At all.
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I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).
What the **** is your point?

I would rather have Berry and Koa Misi than Berry and McNuggett, but McNuggett has nothing to do with the conversation of Berry vs. Okung you ****ing dumbass.
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I can see the point sacc is trying to make. It's flawed.


He says we could have gotten a player as good as berry in the second. Instead of mccluster.

Crazy talk.
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Come on guys, everyone knows stats tells the whole story of what happens on a football field. Remember when Napolion Harris was our leading tackler a few years ago? Clearly our best defender.
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Come on guys, everyone knows stats tells the whole story of what happens on a football field. Remember when Napolion Harris was our leading tackler a few years ago? Clearly our best defender.
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