Gosselin 2011 Mock 2.0 AND 3.0 JUST ADDED - Post #38

[Fumblerooski]

Based on Team Needs.




Gosselin's 2nd Mock Draft:

1. Carolina: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Denver: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
3. Buffalo: Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
4. Cincinnati: Von Miller, OLB, Texas A
5. Arizona : A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
6. Cleveland : Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
7. San Francisco: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
8. Tennessee: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
9. Cowboys: J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
10. Washington: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
11. Houston: Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal
12. Minnesota: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
13. Detroit: Tyron Smith, OT, Southern Cal
14. St. Louis: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
15. Miami: Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
16. Jacksonville: Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
17. New England: Mark Ingram, HB, Alabama
18. San Diego : Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
19. New York Giants: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
20. Tampa Bay: Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
21. Kansas City: Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
22. Indianapolis: Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
23. Philadelphia: Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
24. New Orleans: Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
25. Seattle : Derrick Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
26. Baltimore: Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
27. Atlanta: Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
28. New England: Danny Watkins, G, Baylor
29. Chicago: Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
30. New York Jets: Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
31. Pittsburgh : Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
32. Green Bay: James Carpenter, OT, Alabama

[The Franchise]

I'm on the trade down band wagon. I'm seriously hoping that Pouncey is there at #21. That way we can trade down to #31 and the Steelers can have their twins.

[Chiefnj2]

KC needs versatility on the line. Waters and Weigman may retire. You have Asamoah to take one guard spot, but Lilja wore down as the season went on. It appeared that he was as much of a problem in short yardage situations as the center was. Richardson needs to be upgraded as well. I can see why Watkins would be a consideration - he can play RT or G. Maybe even LT in a pinch.

I'd still take Taylor over Watkins and Carimi, but I see the value to the team in all 3.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.

Come on now this is the organization that forgets that QB is the most important position on the whole freaking team.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm on the trade down band wagon. I'm seriously hoping that Pouncey is there at #21. That way we can trade down to #31 and the Steelers can have their twins.

If we are trading down, I would rather go into the 2nd round, and pick up that 1st rounder next year. Going down to 31 probably will just net a 3rd rounder this year. A late 3rd at that.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Come on now this is the organization that forgets that QB is the most important position on the whole freaking team.

Well, when you have a GM that claims he "doesn't know what a first round grade is," we're bound to keep getting these valueless picks.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, ****.

I left this thread last night thinking that maybe a good night's sleep, a morning workout and a nice breakfast might soften me a bit on this pick.

Nope.

RT in the 1st round is for teams with very few, if any holes. I'm a firm believer that you better get your LT early, that it's OK to take a center late in the 1st if he's a lock All-Pro - but otherwise, it's too ****ing easy to find offensive linemen - RT especially - later in the draft.

If this happens, it will bother me to no end that our decision makers feel it's necessary to use the 21st overall pick on such a valueless position.

Trade up, trade down, whatever. Hell, I'd be OK with Taylor over a goddamn RT - it's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.

*sigh*

Please be wrong, Goose.

Who would you like to see @ 21?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, ****.

I left this thread last night thinking that maybe a good night's sleep, a morning workout and a nice breakfast might soften me a bit on this pick.

Nope.

RT in the 1st round is for teams with very few, if any holes. I'm a firm believer that you better get your LT early, that it's OK to take a center late in the 1st if he's a lock All-Pro - but otherwise, it's too ****ing easy to find offensive linemen - RT especially - later in the draft.

That's applicable to any position.

If this happens, it will bother me to no end that our decision makers feel it's necessary to use the 21st overall pick on such a valueless position.

Right tackle is not a valueless position. With the blitz schemes most defenses are running now, along with swapping out the best pass rusher from side to side, like we do with Hali, having a quality right tackle is nearly as important as having a quality left tackle.

Trade up, trade down, whatever. Hell, I'd be OK with Taylor over a goddamn RT - it's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.

So you'd be happy with a underachieving two gap run plugger over a right tackle?

Now, the argument with this is that going into the 2010 season, both Taylor and Carimi were considered third/fourth round prospects at best and now both are being mentioned as potential first rounders based on a late season surge and a very good Senior Bowl week.

Unless the guy is an uber-freak like Ted Washington or Haloti Ngata, you never piss away a high pick on a fat ass run stuffer, especially one that hasn't done jack squat to date.

*sigh*

Please be wrong, Goose.

Oh, I'm sure he's not. They way everyone is automatically deferring to his prophetic insight, I don't know why they are even having the draft. Gosselin has already made the correct choices for every team. Let's just pack up the bags and head into training camp with our new rookie selected by the Nostradamus of Football, Rick Gosselin. All hail the prognosticating brilliance of the Rickster!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Who would you like to see @ 21?

I'd like to see a trade up for Julio, but that's not happening.

I'm really not a huge fan of anyone if we stay at 21 other than Aldon Smith. I don't think he'll fall that far, even with the talk of there being potentially 5-6 QB's in the Top 15.

I want no part of a RT at 21. I'd be OK with Ayers or Taylor. If we can't trade up, I'd prefer to trade back unless Smith is there.

One thought on Taylor:

I personally don't think he's worth the 21st pick. However, if we took him, I would hope it's because Pioli sees him as his Vince Wilfork.

Bottom line? I'm not a fan of this draft, at least not at 21.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'd like to see a trade up for Julio, but that's not happening.

I'm really not a huge fan of anyone if we stay at 21 other than Aldon Smith. I don't think he'll fall that far, even with the talk of there being potentially 5-6 QB's in the Top 15.

I want no part of a RT at 21. I'd be OK with Ayers or Taylor. If we can't trade up, I'd prefer to trade back unless Smith is there.

One thought on Taylor:

I personally don't think he's worth the 21st pick. However, if we took him, I would hope it's because Pioli sees him as his Vince Wilfork.

Bottom line? I'm not a fan of this draft, at least not at 21.

It's just not building up to excitement is it. We'l probably end up with a solid player......We'd all rather find a star. Oh....ho-hum...


PhilFree

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Come on now this is the organization that forgets that QB is the most important position on the whole freaking team.

Yeah, that's why their first move was to trade for one.

[Dylan]

19. New York Giants: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

Doubt it.

[salame]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Doubt it.

why?
your offensive line is broken down

[AndChiefs]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

You've watched Youtube clips of him. Stop talking like you watched full game footage of Von Miller when you couldn't even be bothered to watch entire games of the 2010 Denver Broncos.

I watched every game. Unfortunately he's correct. Miller is a much better run defender than you would think. Of course, when the play is schemed for him to get to the QB he can get run out of position (just like every other excellent pass rusher). When he's defending the run you definitely can't ignore him like some.

[RustShack]

I wonder if Lilja could play Center. Hes good, but he did wear down as the season went on. I think Asamoah would be the answer at RG, and maybe Harris is ready to take over LG if we don't draft someone.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Well, let's see...he was a two year starter at left tackle for Baylor after starting at left tackle for his junior college team, where he was named All-American Juco. He was first team All-Conference in 2010 and graded out at over 90 percent for the season despite playing against respected pass rushers such as Von Miller, Sam Acho, and Jeremy Beal.

He's being considered as a potential five position type player at the next level that has excellent strength and superb technique. For a guy who has only played football for four years, his skill set and understanding of the game is substantially better than the majority of offensive line prospects in this draft.

However, since you are a ****ing moron, I suspect that you don't know jack shit about anything related to players in the draft, and you have confirmed that suspicion with your dumb as **** post.

He's twenty ****ing seven.

I can't wait to draft our franchise LT only to turn around in 3 years and say, "hmm... our guy is in his 30s now. That could be a problem"

And I don't want to hear the "wear and tear" argument.

You take 27 year olds in the 4th round and beyond. When the price is right. Not with your first rounder.