Cardinals "Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread - Page 95

**BigRedChief** · 02:10 PM

This is so unreal. We were dead. No hope. A season over. Somehow, someway we find some team chemistry and squeak into the playoffs on the last day of the season.

Only to find us facing one of the best pitching staffs assembled in years with home field advantage. We somehow, someway find a way to beat the best pitcher in baseball on the road in an elimination game.

We have to go on the road and beat the team with the best home record in baseball. A team who mortgaged their future to make this run .We somehow, someway find a way to beat them on the road and make our 18th World series trip.

We take game 1, we give away game 2 and home field advantage. Albert goes off for probably the best performance in World Series history and we take game 3 easily. Games 4 & 5 our bats fall asleep, Phone gate happens and its not looking too good.

Game 6, one of the best baseball games of all time and it takes place in a season ending go home game. Cardinals are down 2 runs in their final chance on the season, twice. They are down to their final strike of the season, twice. They give up a 2 run homer in extra innings. In the bottom of the inning their final 3 batters are a combined 3-26 in the Playoffs and a pitcher because the bench is empty. Somehow, someway they get some runners on and the comeback player of the year drives in the tying run. Mr. Freese hits the walk off home run. We will see you tommorrow night.

Game 7, With our bulldog on the mound pitching on 3 days rest he is able to give us 6 good innings and get us to within 9 outs of our 11 World series title. Texas meltsdown, probably left over from last nights game and its over.

The underdog, come back team who had no business even being in the playoffs wins a World championship. They make movies about events like this in life. Events that you remember even if your not a fan of the sport or team for the rest of your life.

When it is your team.......Priceless

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Rams Fan · 05-13-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Go after buy low guys like Hong Chi Kuo, Bobby Jenks, and Dan Wheeler.

I'd be pissed if they got Kuo or Jenks. Kuo can't stay healthy and I think Jenks is done. Wheeler intrigues me, but he hasn't been great this year.

A guy that I think would fit the Cards well would be Lidstrom or another guy off the top of my head, Matt Capps or Joe Nathan.

Rams Fan · 05-13-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

wellllll I'm glad your not the GM.

Lance Lynn is 25 right now and has been struggling in AAA.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-13-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I'd be pissed if they got Kuo or Jenks. Kuo can't stay healthy and I think Jenks is done. Wheeler intrigues me, but he hasn't been great this year.

A guy that I think would fit the Cards well would be Lidstrom or another guy off the top of my head, Matt Capps or Joe Nathan.

You wouldn't have to give up hardly anything to get those guys. You shouldn't look at guys lighting it up, you should look at guys with a good history who are having down years due to injury, luck, or confidence. Capps is basically Ryan Franklin.

**BigRedChief** · 05-13-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How could anyone have ever thought that?

I remember bloggers, TV guys or whoever saying that Motte and Boggs have a bigger upside than Perez. He wasn't pitching lights out when we traded him. It was a crowded right handed bullpen.

I just hate the Cardinals trading for anyone. I'm always afraid we are forever going to be making Haren trades and not Brock type trades.

Miles · 05-13-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You don't focus on getting a closer, you focus on getting help in the middle of the pen.

Miller and Batista are awful. I don't care how low Batista's ERA is, the guy allows way too many goddamned baserunners. Motte can't get anyone out who can hit a fastball, and his heater has no movement whatsoever.

You don't give up your top prospects, but if you want to try and grab a quality MR or two, then go do it. Sanchez is ok, but the guy could walk Andre the Giant with Eric Greg behind the plate. Salas is the only trustworthy guy. Batista, Miller, Motte, and Sanchez are all BB machines in high pressure situations.

Go after buy low guys like Hong Chi Kuo, Bobby Jenks, and Dan Wheeler.

My memory may only be favoring those that worked but finding upside bullpen trash on the cheap seemed to be one of Jockety's better aspects.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-13-2011, 09:45 PM

We traded Perez at his absolute nadir because Tony and Duncan had something against the guy and were routinely rat****ing him.

He was given 10% of the leash we've given Sanchez despite being 20x the investment.

Rams Fan · 05-13-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You wouldn't have to give up hardly anything to get those guys. You shouldn't look at guys lighting it up, you should look at guys with a good history who are having down years due to injury, luck, or confidence. Capps is basically Ryan Franklin.

Kuo would only be worth if it's a waiver claim. Jenks has been declining since last year. Nathan is basically Franklin, not Capps.

Or the Cards could trade with teams that are out of it and get a guy like Michael Gonzalez(he won't come that cheap, but I think it might take a guy like Lynn to get him).

**BigRedChief** · 05-13-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Lance Lynn is 25 right now and has been struggling in AAA.

And....
Garcia lacks the arm strength to go deep into games.
McCellehan is better as a closer
Loshe is toast
Franklin is a good closer
Carp will repeat his last year.
Waino will win the Cy Young this year.
Boggs will be lights out when given a chance.

And so on and so on. Opinions and projections on starting pitching is a big huge gamble. You can never have enough pitching.

**BigRedChief** · 05-13-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We traded Perez at his absolute nadir because Tony and Duncan had something against the guy and were routinely rat****ing him.

He was given 10% of the leash we've given Sanchez despite being 20x the investment.

Surely you can see the upside to Sanchez. He's overthrowing and needs to calm the **** down out there. Don't you think experience and maturity will take care of that?

Miles · 05-13-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We traded Perez at his absolute nadir because Tony and Duncan had something against the guy and were routinely rat****ing him.

He was given 10% of the leash we've given Sanchez despite being 20x the investment.

Looking back on the deal it was obviously terrible. At the time Parez was looking at least fairly sketchy with his mechanics and velocity but still a promising arm. DeRosa was a hot trade target but managed to get hurt almost immediately after trading for him.

Rams Fan · 05-13-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Surely you can see the upside to Sanchez. He's overthrowing and needs to calm the **** down out there. Don't you think experience and maturity will take care of that?

Possibly, yes.

Do I think he can be the next Carlos Marmol? Yes.

But if the Cards traded him for a solid reliever like Bell who helps the team for 3-5 years, pitches at a high level and closes, I wouldn't have a problem with trading him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-13-2011, 09:54 PM

Lynn turned 24 yesterday, but in 200 career innings at AAA, he has a 4.7 ERA. The guy was really good in A and AA, but that kind of a AAA record, even in the PCL, does not bode well.

The fact of the matter is that the Cardinals don't have any SPers a year away in this system. Ottavino is garbage, too.

Miles · 05-13-2011, 09:55 PM

Would really love to have someone like Joel Hanrahan about now.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-13-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Surely you can see the upside to Sanchez. He's overthrowing and needs to calm the **** down out there. Don't you think experience and maturity will take care of that?

I'm sure it will, but I don't know how you can look at a guy his size who throws at his velocity and think "future closer". The guy is a future set-up man, not a closer.

Rams Fan · 05-13-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles

Would really love to have someone like Joel Hanrahan about now.

Nah. I want someone like Drew Storen.

01-06-2011, 09:41 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-721038 VARSITY	"Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread This is so unreal. We were dead. No hope. A season over. Somehow, someway we find some team chemistry and squeak into the playoffs on the last day of the season. Only to find us facing one of the best pitching staffs assembled in years with home field advantage. We somehow, someway find a way to beat the best pitcher in baseball on the road in an elimination game. We have to go on the road and beat the team with the best home record in baseball. A team who mortgaged their future to make this run .We somehow, someway find a way to beat them on the road and make our 18th World series trip. We take game 1, we give away game 2 and home field advantage. Albert goes off for probably the best performance in World Series history and we take game 3 easily. Games 4 & 5 our bats fall asleep, Phone gate happens and its not looking too good. Game 6, one of the best baseball games of all time and it takes place in a season ending go home game. Cardinals are down 2 runs in their final chance on the season, twice. They are down to their final strike of the season, twice. They give up a 2 run homer in extra innings. In the bottom of the inning their final 3 batters are a combined 3-26 in the Playoffs and a pitcher because the bench is empty. Somehow, someway they get some runners on and the comeback player of the year drives in the tying run. Mr. Freese hits the walk off home run. We will see you tommorrow night. Game 7, With our bulldog on the mound pitching on 3 days rest he is able to give us 6 good innings and get us to within 9 outs of our 11 World series title. Texas meltsdown, probably left over from last nights game and its over. The underdog, come back team who had no business even being in the playoffs wins a World championship. They make movies about events like this in life. Events that you remember even if your not a fan of the sport or team for the rest of your life. When it is your team.......Priceless . Attached Thumbnails Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-29-2011 at 02:10 PM..
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05-13-2011, 09:45 PM	#1416
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7169572	We traded Perez at his absolute nadir because Tony and Duncan had something against the guy and were routinely rat****ing him. He was given 10% of the leash we've given Sanchez despite being 20x the investment. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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05-13-2011, 09:54 PM	#1422
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7169572	Lynn turned 24 yesterday, but in 200 career innings at AAA, he has a 4.7 ERA. The guy was really good in A and AA, but that kind of a AAA record, even in the PCL, does not bode well. The fact of the matter is that the Cardinals don't have any SPers a year away in this system. Ottavino is garbage, too. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Miles MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $-1637600	Would really love to have someone like Joel Hanrahan about now.
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