Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 15

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 06:04 PM

Quote:

AlbertBreer Albert Breer
Dominique = As influential a guy as there is in the NFLPA. RT @TorreySmithWR: Just got off the phone with @Foxworth24....IM HYPEDDDD!!!!!!

translation:

Beers is saying Foxworth is influential in nflpa, Torrey Smith is saying he just got off the phone w/ Foxworth and is excited (we can presume because the players are going back to work)...whew

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 06:04 PM

Trotter posted an awful typed memo from Smith to player reps.

) There is no agreement between the NFL and the Players at this time. I look forward to our call tonight.

4) other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved.

3) As you know from yesterday, issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open. ...

2) As u may have heard, they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obly, we hv not bn a part of those discussions.

1) "As you know the Owners have ratifified their proposal to settle our differences. It is my understanding they are forwarding it to us.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 06:04 PM

In all press conferences, goddell and his cronies all talked in past tense as if "the deal is done"

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefqueen

Latest tweet

THIS is NOT over--this takes away incentives from us (players) ratifying

What incentives?

****ing greedy ass players, man.

I WANT NAMES!!!

Brock · 07-21-2011, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Than why are the players ready to vote this down?

@SI_JimTrotter You can take it to the bank that the players are not going to ratify this proposal as currently presented. #nfl

Yeah, sounds like BS.

Brock · 07-21-2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefqueen

Latest tweet

THIS is NOT over--this takes away incentives from us (players) ratifying

Tweet from who?

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Trotter posted an awful typed memo from Smith to player reps.

) There is no agreement between the NFL and the Players at this time. I look forward to our call tonight.

4) other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved.

3) As you know from yesterday, issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open. ...

2) As u may have heard, they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obly, we hv not bn a part of those discussions.

1) "As you know the Owners have ratifified their proposal to settle our differences. It is my understanding they are forwarding it to us.

Wouldn't this call currently be in session right now?

vailpass · 07-21-2011, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huffman83

That has to be one of the most racist and funniest thing I've read on Chiefs planet in a while.

He said KFC not Popeye's.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 06:10 PM

Report: De Smith tells player reps there is “no agreement” with NFL

Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2011, 8:08 PM EDT

To put a twist on T.O.’s catch phrase, get your cold water ready.

After several days in which it looked like the NFLPA* was making an eleventh-hour power play against the league, it could be that the league is trying to make a twelfth-hour power play against the NFLPA*.

And it looks like it won’t work.

On the heels of an ominous e-mail that was directed by an unknown sender (likely Jeffrey Kessler) to unknown recipients (likely the board of player representatives), Jim Trotter of SI.com and ESPN’s Chris Mortensen have obtained a copy of the e-mail sent by NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith to the board of player representatives.

Here’s the full text, as Trotter posted on Twitter, with edits to make it more easily readable.

“As you know the Owners have ratified their proposal to settle our differences,” the e-mail states. “It is my understanding they are forwarding it to us. As you may have heard, they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obviously, we have not been a part of those discussions. As you know from yesterday, issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved. There is no agreement between the NFL and the Players at this time. I look forward to our call tonight.”

Gulp.

Folks, there’s no way the NFLPA* will be approving the deal tonight or passing it along to the players for a vote. And once the league has to start canceling preseason weeks and not just one preseason game, real money is going to disappear — and the chances of getting a deal done will diminish.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Report: De Smith tells player reps there is “no agreement” with NFL

Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2011, 8:08 PM EDT

To put a twist on T.O.’s catch phrase, get your cold water ready.

After several days in which it looked like the NFLPA* was making an eleventh-hour power play against the league, it could be that the league is trying to make a twelfth-hour power play against the NFLPA*.

And it looks like it won’t work.

On the heels of an ominous e-mail that was directed by an unknown sender (likely Jeffrey Kessler) to unknown recipients (likely the board of player representatives), Jim Trotter of SI.com and ESPN’s Chris Mortensen have obtained a copy of the e-mail sent by NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith to the board of player representatives.

Here’s the full text, as Trotter posted on Twitter, with edits to make it more easily readable.

“As you know the Owners have ratified their proposal to settle our differences,” the e-mail states. “It is my understanding they are forwarding it to us. As you may have heard, they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obviously, we have not been a part of those discussions. As you know from yesterday, issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved. There is no agreement between the NFL and the Players at this time. I look forward to our call tonight.”

Gulp.

Folks, there’s no way the NFLPA* will be approving the deal tonight or passing it along to the players for a vote. And once the league has to start canceling preseason weeks and not just one preseason game, real money is going to disappear — and the chances of getting a deal done will diminish.

Jason LaCalifornia (that never gets old) just read that email on NFLN as well.

ThatRaceCardGuy · 07-21-2011, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Gold and KFC stock are gonna ****ing SKYROCKET.

If you want a escalade, you better act fast!

Haha

wow....

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 06:12 PM

i will kill a bitch

tk13 · 07-21-2011, 06:13 PM

People need to chill out. If your boss threw what was basically a 10 year contract at you, you wouldn't sign it in 15 minutes without going over it thoroughly.

chiefqueen · 07-21-2011, 06:13 PM

No AGREEMENT - this is all the owners per Mort the agreement the OWNERS voted on is NOT what D. Smith has been negoitating.

NO FOOTBALL FOR A LONG LONG TIME I'M AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS IMPLODING BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER TONIGHT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE IS EVEN ONE NEGOTIATING SESSION AFTER TONIGHT BEFORE LABOR DAY!!!!!!!

Brock · 07-21-2011, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefqueen

No AGREEMENT - this is all the owners per Mort the agreement the OWNERS voted on is NOT what D. Smith has been negoitating.

NO FOOTBALL FOR A LONG LONG TIME I'M AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS IMPLODING BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER TONIGHT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE IS EVEN ONE NEGOTIATING SESSION AFTER TONIGHT BEFORE LABOR DAY!!!!!!!

OH NOEZ!!!!! PANIC

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3169900 VARSITY	Trotter posted an awful typed memo from Smith to player reps. ) There is no agreement between the NFL and the Players at this time. I look forward to our call tonight. 4) other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved. 3) As you know from yesterday, issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open. ... 2) As u may have heard, they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obly, we hv not bn a part of those discussions. 1) "As you know the Owners have ratifified their proposal to settle our differences. It is my understanding they are forwarding it to us.
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	Report: De Smith tells player reps there is “no agreement” with NFL Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2011, 8:08 PM EDT To put a twist on T.O.’s catch phrase, get your cold water ready. After several days in which it looked like the NFLPA* was making an eleventh-hour power play against the league, it could be that the league is trying to make a twelfth-hour power play against the NFLPA. And it looks like it won’t work. On the heels of an ominous e-mail that was directed by an unknown sender (likely Jeffrey Kessler) to unknown recipients (likely the board of player representatives), Jim Trotter of SI.com and ESPN’s Chris Mortensen have obtained a copy of the e-mail sent by NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith to the board of player representatives. Here’s the full text, as Trotter posted on Twitter, with edits to make it more easily readable. “As you know the Owners have ratified their proposal to settle our differences,” the e-mail states. “It is my understanding they are forwarding it to us. As you may have heard, they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obviously, we have not been a part of those discussions. As you know from yesterday, issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open other issues such as workers compensation, economic issues and end of deal terms remain unresolved. There is no agreement between the NFL and the Players at this time. I look forward to our call tonight.” Gulp. Folks, there’s no way the NFLPA* will be approving the deal tonight or passing it along to the players for a vote. And once the league has to start canceling preseason weeks and not just one preseason game, real money is going to disappear — and the chances of getting a deal done will diminish.
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07-21-2011, 06:13 PM	#223
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1757500	People need to chill out. If your boss threw what was basically a 10 year contract at you, you wouldn't sign it in 15 minutes without going over it thoroughly.
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07-21-2011, 06:13 PM	#224
chiefqueen On my throne Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $7932060	No AGREEMENT - this is all the owners per Mort the agreement the OWNERS voted on is NOT what D. Smith has been negoitating. NO FOOTBALL FOR A LONG LONG TIME I'M AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS IMPLODING BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! AFTER TONIGHT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE IS EVEN ONE NEGOTIATING SESSION AFTER TONIGHT BEFORE LABOR DAY!!!!!!!
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