Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 28

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 08:38 PM

Clark says everything in the deal has already been discussed with Smith and the union.

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

So...if the NFLPA didn't already have the documents, how did they know that things were added?

ITT we pretend the NFLPA doesn't have sources to get info over what was discussed @ owners meeting

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 08:40 PM

JFC the bills player rep on nfl network ..we have no plans to vote tomorrow

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 08:40 PM

This is the bullshit that goes on when the ****ing lawyers take over.

Smith and his crew of cronies benefit further by this dragging on further.

If there was an amount as a bonus for getting a deal done with no missed games, we would probably have a deal signed off by now and teams would be practicing.

**** lawyers.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 08:46 PM

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

How can player reps not know details of proposal? Didn't Smith or his lawyers know the league was going to let them out? Just weird.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-21-2011, 08:49 PM

**** these ****ing semen-guzzling bundle of stickss

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 08:50 PM

dkaplanSBJdaniel kaplan

"This is nothing more than an attempt to get the fans to turn on the players," Wilson tells ESPN.

FloridaMan88 · 07-21-2011, 08:53 PM

Dictator Carl has conditioned us to withstand nasty negotiations this time of year, so this feels like a typical July in Chiefs Land.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 08:54 PM

greggrosenthalgregg rosenthal

1 thing I'm confused on. Player reps get strong email questioning legality of deal before call, but not details of deal itself?

SO TRUE

-King- · 07-21-2011, 09:02 PM

@ArianFoster I signed the CBA. lockerz.com/s/122429561

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 09:06 PM

TheBillWaltonThe Bill Walton Trip
The NFL players are on the verge of destroying the CBA with the same recklessness that Isiah Thomas once used to destroy the CBA.

HAHAHAHAH

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 09:07 PM

If this is all in earnest, them let the NFLPA dictate how the details are worked out and let's roll!

You split it, I pick.

That's the best way.

**DaFace** · 07-21-2011, 09:08 PM

Is it bad that I kind of find the chaos entertaining?

JD10367 · 07-21-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Is it bad that I kind of find the chaos entertaining?

Are you speaking as a football fan, about the lockout? Or as a Mod, about the board in general?

Rams Fan · 07-21-2011, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Is it bad that I kind of find the chaos entertaining?

DaFace, do you know what any of the issues were that caused the NHL Lockout? Are they similar to the ones that caused the NFL Lockout?

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-21-2011, 08:38 PM	#406
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $3412900	Clark says everything in the deal has already been discussed with Smith and the union.
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07-21-2011, 08:40 PM	#408
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	JFC the bills player rep on nfl network ..we have no plans to vote tomorrow
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07-21-2011, 08:40 PM	#409
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1635912	This is the bullshit that goes on when the **ing lawyers take over. Smith and his crew of cronies benefit further by this dragging on further. If there was an amount as a bonus for getting a deal done with no missed games, we would probably have a deal signed off by now and teams would be practicing. ** lawyers. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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07-21-2011, 08:46 PM	#410
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	PriscoCBSPete Prisco How can player reps not know details of proposal? Didn't Smith or his lawyers know the league was going to let them out? Just weird.
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07-21-2011, 08:49 PM	#411
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07-21-2011, 08:50 PM	#412
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	dkaplanSBJdaniel kaplan "This is nothing more than an attempt to get the fans to turn on the players," Wilson tells ESPN.
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07-21-2011, 08:53 PM	#413
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-607094	Dictator Carl has conditioned us to withstand nasty negotiations this time of year, so this feels like a typical July in Chiefs Land.
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07-21-2011, 08:54 PM	#414
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	greggrosenthalgregg rosenthal 1 thing I'm confused on. Player reps get strong email questioning legality of deal before call, but not details of deal itself? SO TRUE
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07-21-2011, 09:06 PM	#416
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	TheBillWaltonThe Bill Walton Trip The NFL players are on the verge of destroying the CBA with the same recklessness that Isiah Thomas once used to destroy the CBA. HAHAHAHAH
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07-21-2011, 09:07 PM	#417
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1635912	If this is all in earnest, them let the NFLPA dictate how the details are worked out and let's roll! You split it, I pick. That's the best way. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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