Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 29

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

tk13 · 07-21-2011, 09:11 PM

I'm just impressed we've made it this far without a Deal is Done post. Or maybe we had one and I missed it.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 09:12 PM

ChiefsandOsFanGreg
@RudyNiswanger thing I'm confused on. Player reps get strong email questioning legality of deal before call, but not details of deal itself

RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger
@ChiefsandOsFan As of 9pm central players hadn't received a copy of the proposal that owners ratified. Can't decide on what ya don't have

ChiefsandOsFanGreg
@RudyNiswanger HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THEY ADDED STUFF THEN?

RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger

@ChiefsandOsFan we don't, I never said they did.

3 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

TheBillWaltonThe Bill Walton Trip
The NFL players are on the verge of destroying the CBA with the same recklessness that Isiah Thomas once used to destroy the CBA.

HAHAHAHAH

haha that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today.

I'd guess Goodell and the owners were determined to have a vote regardless if they could get Smith and the NFLPA to approve on all the necessary things or not. The 90 minute phone call was a last effort attempt to get thing hammered out, a complete agreement couldn't be made, so the owners voted on shit they considered was "fair"...but the players obviously think otherwise.

I'm really starting to wonder if there will be an actual full season.

**DaFace** · 07-21-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367

Are you speaking as a football fan, about the lockout? Or as a Mod, about the board in general?

Football fan. I've lost a bit of my die-hardedness about football the last couple years, so I think it's kind of funny. If we lose games, that'll kind of suck, but I'll probably just have more time to do some hiking or camping.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

DaFace, do you know what any of the issues were that caused the NHL Lockout? Are they similar to the ones that caused the NFL Lockout?

Negative. I really didn't follow hockey until I moved out here in 2007 and needed a home team to root for.

Rams Fan · 07-21-2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Negative. I really didn't follow hockey until I moved out here in 2007 and needed a home team to root for.

Kroenke better not **** up shit.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 09:16 PM

Nicely done, n00b.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ChiefsandOsFanGreg
@RudyNiswanger thing I'm confused on. Player reps get strong email questioning legality of deal before call, but not details of deal itself

RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger
@ChiefsandOsFan As of 9pm central players hadn't received a copy of the proposal that owners ratified. Can't decide on what ya don't have

ChiefsandOsFanGreg
@RudyNiswanger HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THEY ADDED STUFF THEN?

RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger

@ChiefsandOsFan we don't, I never said they did.

3 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

good job.

Here's the thing with part of that though.

It's not the content of what was sent that is illegal, it was the part where the owners set a deadline for the players to rectify as a union.

That big time illegal.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2011, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ChiefsandOsFanGreg
@RudyNiswanger thing I'm confused on. Player reps get strong email questioning legality of deal before call, but not details of deal itself

RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger
@ChiefsandOsFan As of 9pm central players hadn't received a copy of the proposal that owners ratified. Can't decide on what ya don't have

ChiefsandOsFanGreg
@RudyNiswanger HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THEY ADDED STUFF THEN?

RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger

@ChiefsandOsFan we don't, I never said they did.

3 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

But his cohorts are going on NFLN saying they knew what was added.

Nice job calling out these pukes about their bullshit.

Mr. Laz · 07-21-2011, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Football fan. I've lost a bit of my die-hardedness about football the last couple years, so I think it's kind of funny. If we lose games, that'll kind of suck, but I'll probably just have more time to do some hiking or camping.

tbh the whole nation would probably be better off if we spent less time watching sports and more time playing them. The reason the NFL/NFLPA has 9 billion dollars a year to fight over is because we are such lazy ****s.

Just Sayin'

tk13 · 07-21-2011, 09:23 PM

I don't know if I'd compare the NHL lockout to this. I certainly couldn't go into detail, but the NHL was in much worse financial shape. They lost a season, but finally hammered the players into accepting a salary cap. It's definitely made the competitive balance of the league 100 times better in the long run.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2011, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

good job.

Here's the thing with part of that though.

It's not the content of what was sent that is illegal, it was the part where the owners set a deadline for the players to rectify as a union.

That big time illegal.

I get the legality of all that shit.

The players could recertify in about 10 minutes if they really wanted to get down to business and finalize a deal.

It's another strong arm tactic.

Fine, don't recertify. Drag it out and see if the fans ever come back.

They won't.

Brock · 07-21-2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Fine, don't recertify. Drag it out and see if the fans ever come back.

They won't.

What the hell else are they going to do?

Mr. Laz · 07-21-2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

good job.

Here's the thing with part of that though.

It's not the content of what was sent that is illegal, it was the part where the owners set a deadline for the players to rectify as a union.

That big time illegal.

umm ... how is it illegal?

The owners have no legal authority to abuse. They put the CBA offer on the table and say you have XX days to accept/reject it.

nothing illegal about putting a time condition on your contract offer.

-King- · 07-21-2011, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I get the legality of all that shit.

The players could recertify in about 10 minutes if they really wanted to get down to business and finalize a deal.

It's another strong arm tactic.

Fine, don't recertify. Drag it out and see if the fans ever come back.

They won't.

They will.

-King- · 07-21-2011, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

umm ... how is it illegal?

The owners have no legal authority to abuse. They put the CBA offer on the table and say you have XX days to accept/reject it.

nothing illegal about putting a time condition on your contract offer.

It's illegal to mandate a union be re certified by a certain time.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-21-2011, 09:12 PM	#422
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	ChiefsandOsFanGreg @RudyNiswanger thing I'm confused on. Player reps get strong email questioning legality of deal before call, but not details of deal itself RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger @ChiefsandOsFan As of 9pm central players hadn't received a copy of the proposal that owners ratified. Can't decide on what ya don't have ChiefsandOsFanGreg @RudyNiswanger HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THEY ADDED STUFF THEN? RudyNiswangerRudy Niswanger @ChiefsandOsFan we don't, I never said they did. 3 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
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07-21-2011, 09:23 PM	#430
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1757500	I don't know if I'd compare the NHL lockout to this. I certainly couldn't go into detail, but the NHL was in much worse financial shape. They lost a season, but finally hammered the players into accepting a salary cap. It's definitely made the competitive balance of the league 100 times better in the long run.
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