Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 31

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

PunkinDrublic · 07-21-2011, 09:42 PM

When I hear Kevin Mawae make the statement that the NFLPA is under no deadline to get things done it makes my ****ing blood boil. This shit was supposed to get done today.

BigRock · 07-21-2011, 09:43 PM

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demands that the players re-form as a union and provide evidence by Tuesday, July 26

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the players would only have three days to bargain changes in terms.

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If the NFL does not agree to the players' proposed changed, the old CBA terms on benefits, discipline, safety, etc. will remain unchanged for another 10 years.

**** THE PLAYERS AND THEIR STRONG ARM TACTICS

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 09:44 PM

I mean really, wasn't it Jeff Pash (the NFLs lawyer) that put out the timetable for the deal to ce completed and the union recertified?

Can you sue a lawyer for "malpractice" of sorts?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 09:44 PM

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

One coach I talked to tonight said first preseason game would be like normal first scrimmage because of timetable.

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

And fans pay full price for that crap? And you don't want 18 games?

Pete is on fire tonight

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

When I hear Kevin Mawae make the statement that the NFLPA is under no deadline to get things done it makes my ****ing blood boil. This shit was supposed to get done today.

No, it wasn't.

Unless you expect the players to sign off on a 600+ page document without reading it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

**** THE PLAYERS AND THEIR STRONG ARM TACTICS

No shit. I'm baffled that people are pissed at the players.

Titty Meat · 07-21-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, it wasn't.

Unless you expect the players to sign off on a 600+ page document without reading it.

Our elected officials do it all the time.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 09:47 PM

I heard it was 300 pages. Where'd you get the 600 number from?

Just Passin' By · 07-21-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No shit. I'm baffled that people are pissed at the players.

You should read what some of the pro-owner people over at Patsfans.com are posting. You'd think they just came off a 5 year lead paint chip bender.

milkman · 07-21-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

One coach I talked to tonight said first preseason game would be like normal first scrimmage because of timetable.

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

And fans pay full price for that crap? And you don't want 18 games?

Pete is on fire tonight

Prisco is a moron.

We, as fans, don't need 4 preseason games, but teams do.

I saw how going from 6 games to 4 affected the play at the start of the season back in the day.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I heard it was 300 pages. Where'd you get the 600 number from?

NFLN.

Does it matter?

It's completely unrealistic to expect the NFLPA* to read, interpret and vote on a several-hundred page document in a few hours.

Especially when there is language like "If the NFL does not agree to the players' proposed changed, the old CBA terms on benefits, discipline, safety, etc. will remain unchanged for another 10 years" in it.

tk13 · 07-21-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Our elected officials do it all the time.

If your employer handed you hundreds of pages of information that dictated your compensation for the next 10 years in the workplace, plus your retirement and health insurance benefits, you wouldn't want to thoroughly go over it? Really?

PunkinDrublic · 07-21-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No shit. I'm baffled that people are pissed at the players.

I'm not pissed at all the players just Mawaes statement pissed me off. I hated him in the first place anyway.

Just Passin' By · 07-21-2011, 09:51 PM

10 years without an out clause is a bad idea for the players, IMO.

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No shit. I'm baffled that people are pissed at the players.

I'm not.

"WHERE MUH FOOBAWWW???? PLAYERS NOT VOTING YET????? GREEDY ****ERS BUY LESS GOLD AND CHICKEN"

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $4420670	When I hear Kevin Mawae make the statement that the NFLPA is under no deadline to get things done it makes my ****ing blood boil. This shit was supposed to get done today. __________________ Disappointing my parents since 1976
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1625912	I mean really, wasn't it Jeff Pash (the NFLs lawyer) that put out the timetable for the deal to ce completed and the union recertified? Can you sue a lawyer for "malpractice" of sorts? __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	PriscoCBSPete Prisco One coach I talked to tonight said first preseason game would be like normal first scrimmage because of timetable. PriscoCBSPete Prisco And fans pay full price for that crap? And you don't want 18 games? Pete is on fire tonight
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1625912	I heard it was 300 pages. Where'd you get the 600 number from? __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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