Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 38

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

Chiefnj2 · 07-22-2011, 11:13 AM

I don't quite get the desperation that fans are feeling. We haven't really missed any football. The only thing that was missed was a few days of boring mini-camps and a delay in Dan Snyder throwing 100 million at a washed up player that won't fit his team.

The vast majority of players hate Roger. They don't trust him. That's why they stick with Smith. As much as the fans think the guy is a fool, he's always swinging and trying to come off as a hard-ass.

Smith needs a second in command to speak with the media and just say something like:
"It's great that after all these months the owners have finally come to an agreement among themselves. Everyone knows there were major disagreements between small and large market teams and revenue sharing. Now that they've ironed out their differences, the players will now have the opportunity to look at the first offer that has been approved by the teams. Hopefully they haven't added provisions that were not previously discussed. We hope to complete our review and speak with all of the player reps within the next two days. "

Okie_Apparition · 07-22-2011, 11:13 AM

Smith is a lawyer...manipulating the truth is just part of his existence

chiefqueen · 07-22-2011, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Mort is reporting that players camp is cooled down and a vote will happen today and is expected to pass!

Per am 1600

Here's the deal

No vote today = NO Access to Facility tomorrow

Peyton wants to see his trainer

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefqueen

Here's the deal

No vote today = NO Access to Facility tomorrow

Peyton wants to see his trainer

just said on ESPN that the players will not vote today BUT want the owners to still allow access to the players.

translation: we need to keep up appearances by not agreeable to this deal too quickly. Fight da Powa!! Down with the evil owners!!

Brock · 07-22-2011, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefqueen

Here's the deal

No vote today = NO Access to Facility tomorrow

Peyton wants to see his trainer

Right! He has no access to the best treatment without going to the facility!

**SAUTO** · 07-22-2011, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

just said on ESPN that the players will not vote today BUT want the owners to still allow access to the players.

translation: we need to keep up appearances by not agreeable to this deal too quickly. Fight da Powa!! Down with the evil owners!!

LOL.

they dont want to accept the deal but they want the medical treatment and the workout facilities?

suzzer99 · 07-22-2011, 11:33 AM

The players don't want to play all the pre-season games, period. The owners obviously do because of the $800 million in revenue. This will get done within two weeks I predict, but the players will stall as much as they can.

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

LOL.

they dont want to accept the deal but they want the medical treatment and the workout facilities?

That's what is said on the Espn scroll

the want to keep the lockout lifted but are not ready to approve CBA

imo that means the CBA offer is close enough and they are just tweaking and bullshitting around. Also keeping up appearances about how the owners are trying to trick them or 'sell them into slavery'.

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The players don't want to play all the pre-season games, period. The owners obviously do because of the $800 million in revenue. This will get done within two weeks I predict, but the players will stall as much as they can.

the dollar amount for missing games will be deducted from the players part of the revenue as well i think.

this is just about PR and wanting to appear to still be in control by the NFLPA

chiefqueen · 07-22-2011, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The players don't want to play all the pre-season games, period. The owners obviously do because of the $800 million in revenue. This will get done within two weeks I predict, but the players will stall as much as they can.

I disagree. Even a one-day delay worries me. IMO if the new CBA is not in place by Wed. the next time the players & owners meet won't be until mid-Sept. I believe what happened yesterday created a lot of wounds on the players side and that could take time to heal.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-22-2011, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

That's what is said on the Espn scroll

the want to keep the lockout lifted but are not ready to approve CBA

imo that means the CBA offer is close enough and they are just tweaking and bullshitting around. Also keeping up appearances about how the owners are trying to trick them or 'sell them into slavery'.

DIE GREEDY SCUMBAGS!

Laz, I never knew you were so down with The Man.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 11:42 AM

JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora

In advising its player reps on rookie pool, NFLPA projected Cam Newton would get $22M over 4 yrs and, another $14.3M in a 5th-year option...

Love this new rookie scale means teams will start trading into the top 5

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora

In advising its player reps on rookie pool, NFLPA projected Cam Newton would get $22M over 4 yrs and, another $14.3M in a 5th-year option...

Love this new rookie scale means teams will start trading into the top 5

which will help the parity level of the nfl

Drafting high was almost a bad thing for teams lately

chiefqueen · 07-22-2011, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora

In advising its player reps on rookie pool, NFLPA projected Cam Newton would get $22M over 4 yrs and, another $14.3M in a 5th-year option...

Love this new rookie scale means teams will start trading into the top 5

Is this a pay cut for Newton?

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 11:49 AM

Takeo Spikes on ESPN now saying part of the stuff included in the CBA that wasn't previously agree to was the Revenue sharing part by the owners.

apparently the players think they should get to approve how the owners decide to share profits.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2083063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-22-2011, 11:13 AM	#556
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6664388	I don't quite get the desperation that fans are feeling. We haven't really missed any football. The only thing that was missed was a few days of boring mini-camps and a delay in Dan Snyder throwing 100 million at a washed up player that won't fit his team. The vast majority of players hate Roger. They don't trust him. That's why they stick with Smith. As much as the fans think the guy is a fool, he's always swinging and trying to come off as a hard-ass. Smith needs a second in command to speak with the media and just say something like: "It's great that after all these months the owners have finally come to an agreement among themselves. Everyone knows there were major disagreements between small and large market teams and revenue sharing. Now that they've ironed out their differences, the players will now have the opportunity to look at the first offer that has been approved by the teams. Hopefully they haven't added provisions that were not previously discussed. We hope to complete our review and speak with all of the player reps within the next two days. " __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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07-22-2011, 11:13 AM	#557
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	Smith is a lawyer...manipulating the truth is just part of his existence
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07-22-2011, 11:33 AM	#562
suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $-685716	The players don't want to play all the pre-season games, period. The owners obviously do because of the $800 million in revenue. This will get done within two weeks I predict, but the players will stall as much as they can.
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07-22-2011, 11:42 AM	#567
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1266009	JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora In advising its player reps on rookie pool, NFLPA projected Cam Newton would get $22M over 4 yrs and, another $14.3M in a 5th-year option... Love this new rookie scale means teams will start trading into the top 5
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07-22-2011, 11:49 AM	#570
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Takeo Spikes on ESPN now saying part of the stuff included in the CBA that wasn't previously agree to was the Revenue sharing part by the owners. apparently the players think they should get to approve how the owners decide to share profits. __________________
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