Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 45

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

**SAUTO** · 07-22-2011, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's also been reported that [insert shitty reporting here]

The media is ****ing this up as much as the players and owners are.

THIS

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 03:28 PM

judybattistaJudy Battista

Players spokesman George Atallah says neither he nor De Smith know anything about an email saying player reps won't meet until Monday.

keg in kc · 07-22-2011, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dammit, Keg - I was trying to be nice.

Well, out of fairness, I think the players union has really been ****ing things up, too. Everybody wants to point fingers at the owners, but I listened to Rudi Niswanger at about 2 o'clock say he hadn't even seen the proposal yet, and that he had basically no idea what was going to happen or how it would go down.

Seriously? This is a player rep nearly 24 hours after the owners voted?

NFLPA ain't got their shit together.

But then he went on to talk about a bunch of stuff that the media has been calling problems (deadlines, primarily) aren't actually problems at all. Or even deadlines.

It was hilarious. The media is just butchering this.

**SAUTO** · 07-22-2011, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Well, out of fairness, I think the players union has really been ****ing things up, too. Everybody wants to point fingers at the owners, but I listened to Rudi Niswanger at about 2 o'clock say he hadn't even seen the proposal yet, and that he had basically no idea what was going to happen or how it would go down.

Seriously? This is a player rep nearly 24 hours after the owners voted?

NFLPA ain't got their shit together.

But then he went on to talk about a bunch of stuff that the media has been calling problems (deadlines, primarily) aren't actually problems at all. Or even deadlines.

It was hilarious. The media is just butchering this.

i agree. i honestly wonder who is a fault.

**alnorth** · 07-22-2011, 03:38 PM

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/67...nd-sources-say

interesting and encouraging update. As speculated, the NFLPA's unhappiness was overblown because a few excitable players went to twitter and flipped out.

The NFLPA is not kicking back and doing nothing over the weekend, they plan to spend all weekend talking to the NFL lawyers to iron issues out.

The possibility of a 7-year opt-out with penalties against the side exercising the opt-out might not be a deal-breaker, and the NFL may decide to accept it. If they don't, it sounds like the players probably wont turn down the deal just on that issue. The players probably threw in the penalty for exercising the opt-out to try to make it a neutral demand (instead of a concession) that the NFL might be fine with.

The other remaining big issue is reporting at training camp to certify the union in-person instead of doing a quickie union vote online. The NFLPA is absolutely, un-movingly adamant that it has to be that way for reasons we don't need to rehash. The NFL is reluctant because.... well, I have no idea why, it makes no sense to me. Let them use your building to meet, pretend you are a holiday inn renting a conference room for the day, I don't get why the owners wont just roll their eyes and say "ok, fine".

The NFLPA apparently offered to hold an unofficial, non-binding, it means nothing legally, vote online on whether to reform the union and accept the deal, then show the results of that vote (probably majority yes) to the owners to show that they are really acting in good faith, they just need to go through this longer in-person process to tie up legal loose ends.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/67...nd-sources-say

interesting and encouraging update. As speculated, the NFLPA's unhappiness was overblown because a few excitable players went to twitter and flipped out.

The NFLPA is not kicking back and doing nothing over the weekend, they plan to spend all weekend talking to the NFL lawyers to iron issues out.

The possibility of a 7-year opt-out with penalties against the side exercising the opt-out might not be a deal-breaker, and the NFL may decide to accept it. If they don't, it sounds like the players probably wont turn down the deal just on that issue. The players probably threw in the penalty for exercising the opt-out to try to make it a neutral demand (instead of a concession) that the NFL might be fine with.

The other remaining big issue is reporting at training camp to certify the union in-person instead of doing a quickie union vote online. The NFLPA is absolutely, un-movingly adamant that it has to be that way for reasons we don't need to rehash. The NFL is reluctant because.... well, I have no idea why, it makes no sense to me. Let them use your building to meet, pretend you are a holiday inn renting a conference room for the day, I don't get why the owners wont just roll their eyes and say "ok, fine".

The NFLPA apparently offered to hold an unofficial, non-binding, it means nothing legally, vote online on whether to reform the union and accept the deal, then show the results of that vote (probably majority yes) to the owners to show that they are really acting in good faith, they just need to go through this longer in-person process to tie up legal loose ends.

Makes sense.

Hopefully, this report is accurate.

**alnorth** · 07-22-2011, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

NFLPA ain't got their shit together.

Disagree, I don't really think there's anything damning in the leaks. The only reason we don't have hilariously contradicting and confusing statements from ownership is because whoever spoke would be slammed with a massive fine.

You just got a few people speaking off the cuff on the player's side, and/or media misinterpreting what was said or not putting words in context.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 03:42 PM

RapSheetIan R. Rapoport

Ugh. RT @DariusButler28 Thought I was gonna be up here n NE for a while. Abt to head to the rm n look up some flights bk home

This cant be good

keg in kc · 07-22-2011, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Disagree, I don't really think there's anything damning in the leaks. The only reason we don't have hilariously contradicting and confusing statements from ownership is because whoever spoke would be slammed with a massive fine.

You just got a few people speaking off the cuff on the player's side, and/or media misinterpreting what was said or not putting words in context.

Who said anything about leaks?

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 03:43 PM

So is there any possibility of the vote coming this weekend?

ToxSocks · 07-22-2011, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/67...nd-sources-say

interesting and encouraging update. As speculated, the NFLPA's unhappiness was overblown because a few excitable players went to twitter and flipped out.

The NFLPA is not kicking back and doing nothing over the weekend, they plan to spend all weekend talking to the NFL lawyers to iron issues out.

The possibility of a 7-year opt-out with penalties against the side exercising the opt-out might not be a deal-breaker, and the NFL may decide to accept it. If they don't, it sounds like the players probably wont turn down the deal just on that issue. The players probably threw in the penalty for exercising the opt-out to try to make it a neutral demand (instead of a concession) that the NFL might be fine with.

The other remaining big issue is reporting at training camp to certify the union in-person instead of doing a quickie union vote online. The NFLPA is absolutely, un-movingly adamant that it has to be that way for reasons we don't need to rehash. The NFL is reluctant because.... well, I have no idea why, it makes no sense to me. Let them use your building to meet, pretend you are a holiday inn renting a conference room for the day, I don't get why the owners wont just roll their eyes and say "ok, fine".

The NFLPA apparently offered to hold an unofficial, non-binding, it means nothing legally, vote online on whether to reform the union and accept the deal, then show the results of that vote (probably majority yes) to the owners to show that they are really acting in good faith, they just need to go through this longer in-person process to tie up legal loose ends.

If true then that's great news.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

So is there any possibility of the vote coming this weekend?

If i was a betting man i say 99% NO.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 03:46 PM

T_Daniels34Travis Daniels

@RudyNiswanger Any good news or things still the same

LOL why are chiefs players asking there rep this on twitter lol

Rams Fan · 07-22-2011, 03:52 PM

A guy named Tony Softli, who was previously employed by the Rams and Panthers, is on a sports station in St. Louis saying that the players want a committee to hand down punishment instead of Goodell.

**alnorth** · 07-22-2011, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

LOL why are chiefs players asking there rep this on twitter lol

Probably because the average IQ of an NFL player is at least 40 points lower than the average IQ of posters on this board. (D.C. posts excluded)

We don't go to the stadium to watch them solve calculus equations and explain Shakespeare

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2063063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-22-2011, 03:28 PM	#662
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07-22-2011, 03:38 PM	#665
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/67...nd-sources-say interesting and encouraging update. As speculated, the NFLPA's unhappiness was overblown because a few excitable players went to twitter and flipped out. The NFLPA is not kicking back and doing nothing over the weekend, they plan to spend all weekend talking to the NFL lawyers to iron issues out. The possibility of a 7-year opt-out with penalties against the side exercising the opt-out might not be a deal-breaker, and the NFL may decide to accept it. If they don't, it sounds like the players probably wont turn down the deal just on that issue. The players probably threw in the penalty for exercising the opt-out to try to make it a neutral demand (instead of a concession) that the NFL might be fine with. The other remaining big issue is reporting at training camp to certify the union in-person instead of doing a quickie union vote online. The NFLPA is absolutely, un-movingly adamant that it has to be that way for reasons we don't need to rehash. The NFL is reluctant because.... well, I have no idea why, it makes no sense to me. Let them use your building to meet, pretend you are a holiday inn renting a conference room for the day, I don't get why the owners wont just roll their eyes and say "ok, fine". The NFLPA apparently offered to hold an unofficial, non-binding, it means nothing legally, vote online on whether to reform the union and accept the deal, then show the results of that vote (probably majority yes) to the owners to show that they are really acting in good faith, they just need to go through this longer in-person process to tie up legal loose ends. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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07-22-2011, 03:42 PM	#668
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07-22-2011, 03:46 PM	#673
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07-22-2011, 03:52 PM	#674
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