Is Tomorrow Moon's Last Football Game? - Page 2

DoubleWannaB · 08-24-2000, 11:30 AM

It could very well be.

Moon will be jockeying around for 2nd or 3rd QB behind Elvis and that decision will be based on the outcome of his playing time vs Tampa. Should Warren have a bad showing then Todd Collins will lock-up the #2 slot (barring a last minute waiver wire pick-up).

Seems unlikely to me that Moon will accept being 3rd string and may very well opt to retire. Of course it's possible that he would try to become another team's back-up, but I don't see it happening.

So tomorrow could be Moon's NFL finale.
Thoughts, one way or the other?

Snapper · 08-24-2000, 11:55 AM

Moon will be the back up this year, maybe #3 i think it all depends on Collins not Moon.

DoubleWannaB · 08-24-2000, 11:57 AM

Granted, Rattay couldn't be considered a niner cast off until he plays a season...

That should be punishment enough!

08-24-2000, 12:04 PM

Moon should be the backup again this year. White should get the boot. Both Moon and Collins should have gotten a chance with the first team for a fair evaulation. Don't fret because the Chiefs "know" what their doing especially at QB!

DoubleWannaB · 08-24-2000, 12:15 PM

Does it bother anyone else as bad as it bothers me that we have [b]never[/b] been able to tutor a young QB, a fresh project?

What is it with our coaching staff that they are unable to bring a project QB to fruition? And I refer to the coaches past and present going back...I don't know exactly how many years.

Bad luck in our QB choices? Could be, we've had some losers come in here--but that can't explain all the years of drought. Or do they just not think it's worth the time and effort to try in the days of F.A.? (How to explain the Ted White Project, then?)

Are home grown QB's something we must always do without? Does any other team in the NFL have a more dismal record at this?

[This message has been edited by FloridaChief (edited 08-24-2000).]

08-24-2000, 12:18 PM

Fla Chief,
YES it bothers me also. Maybe, just maybe it would be a good thing to hire a QB coach that has actually played QB in the NFL!!!
What a novel idea!

Boise_Chief · 08-24-2000, 12:22 PM

Moon should win the backup job. Neither Collins nor White has stepped up so......Moon is the man

08-24-2000, 12:23 PM

Hehe - yeah TX, I think that'd be a good start! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

I [i]had[/i] a problem with the Marty regime - and their inability/unwillingness to develop a QB. However, that regime came to an end in '99 when Gun took over. I liked the move with White - as did most other KC fans. We took a chance (very small one, but a chance all the same) on a young QB & sent him off to Europe. He hasn't panned out & probably never will ($1million velocity, but poor aim & gets rattled). I do not take that as a sign that Gun & Co. are just going to 'give up' on developing a QB -- I take it as what it is - we tried, it didnt work, so we'll try again.

[This message has been edited by HC_Chief (edited 08-24-2000).]

08-24-2000, 12:45 PM

unfortunately, I think moon will be the #2 this year, collins #3 and ted can look forward to a rewarding career in the XFL.

I'd like to see Moon as the QB coach next year and bring in some new talent...top to bottom at QB...But you know Elvis will be in the building. I don't hate Elvis, I just believe he would make a quality backup.

JOhn · 08-24-2000, 12:50 PM

Hey all, Hows your day?
IMO, i think that moon should be given the back-up job. Collins has a decent arm, but makes poor decisions under pressure. White...boy, where should we start? He is constantly passing into heavy coverage, and should have more INT's than he does.(We have been lucky!)We should definitely look for a new QB in offseason!
kcmax
Hoping Elvis stays healthy!

Traveller · 08-24-2000, 02:22 PM

Hey HC - sorry, but no one checked my IQ at the door and I got in! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] And I'm carrying my autographed Moon jockstrap with me! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

Seriously, last year I made a case for Moon being a better QB than Grbac, and well, we never found out. This year I'm not so sure anymore (haven't seen him play at all) - time may have caught up with him.

BTW, Florida Chief our current QB coach (Tom Clements) DID play in the NFL (one year with the Chiefs in 1980).

Kokanee (formerly aka Reality Check)

**alanm** · 08-24-2000, 02:30 PM

Kokanee-

Welcome to the Planet.

Clements is one of the reasons I have hope for Grbac’s continued improvement. Grbac’s weaknesses are in the mental game, and perhaps someone who has been there and done that can help him improve his decisions under pressure.

xoxo~
gaz
realizes he's putting a lot of faith in an ex-QB.<BR>

Traveller · 08-24-2000, 02:48 PM

Thanks, Gaz - it's good to see your keen and intelligent analysis, no doubt borne of your wonderful profession, here on this board too! (Yeah, I'm an engineer too [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img])

But regarding your faint hopes for Clements and Grbac - well, don't hold your breath. I'm one who believes more in the nature side of the nature/nurture argument when it comes to QB. And regardless of how well Tom Clements performed under pressure in his career (and believe me, I saw it first hand, many, many times up here in the CFL), I think there is precious little he can do to impart the same ability to EG. I think he can help him a bit with reads, technique, drills, conditioning, etc., but what goes on between the ears when 300 pounds of man mountain is bearing down on you is pretty much unteachable. Sorry, JMHO.

Kokanee
- not wanting to throw a bucket of cold water in only his second post

Woodrow · 08-24-2000, 03:43 PM

IMO, it is not necessarily fair to the Chiefs organization to say they are unable to develope young quarterbacks. Somebody on this BB that is a statistics nut, tell me how many QBs are drafted or signed as rookie FAs each year. Yet only 1 or 2 new QBs TYPICALLY in a year take over a club in the NFL. Its like cold selling, you gotta get 10 nos to get a yes. Granted, you would think over the years that the percentages would catch up with us. Maybe if we go 3-13 like some are suggesting this year, we will get a chance to pick a can't miss QB (like Leaf [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]) with the first or second pick next year.

B^2

Chieffan · 08-24-2000, 03:53 PM

If Collins is just rusty in game situations, then keep him. If this is indicative of what he can do, keep him until a better candidate comes by on the wire. Moon should be the #2 on game experience alone.

White goes to the practice squad.

When you play games close to the vest like the Chiefs, your backup QB never plays. The 49ers would blow someone out 28-0 at half and the #2 or #3 would work in the 4th quarter.

Anyone seen Steve Stenstrom???

[This message has been edited by Oxford (edited 08-24-2000).]

**alanm** · 08-25-2000, 06:37 AM

Kokanee-

ENGINEERS RULE!

And you could be right about Clements. It is a slim hope, but it is the only hope I have. Unless Grbac drastically improves his pocket decisions this season, we will need a new QB in 2001. We have no QBOTF candidate, so we would be starting from scratch again. It’s true that Clements won’t add any gray matter twixt Grbac’s ears, but hopefully he can help Grbac get the most out of what he has.

xoxo~
gaz
knows his bubble is perilously close to bursting.<BR>

08-24-2000, 11:55 AM	#16
Snapper Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Oswego,Ks,USofA Casino cash: $10004900	Moon will be the back up this year, maybe #3 i think it all depends on Collins not Moon.
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08-24-2000, 11:57 AM	#17
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Granted, Rattay couldn't be considered a niner cast off until he plays a season... That should be punishment enough!
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08-24-2000, 12:04 PM	#18
The Blessed Virgin Larry Guest Casino cash: $	Moon should be the backup again this year. White should get the boot. Both Moon and Collins should have gotten a chance with the first team for a fair evaulation. Don't fret because the Chiefs "know" what their doing especially at QB!
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08-24-2000, 12:15 PM	#19
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Does it bother anyone else as bad as it bothers me that we have [b]never[/b] been able to tutor a young QB, a fresh project? What is it with our coaching staff that they are unable to bring a project QB to fruition? And I refer to the coaches past and present going back...I don't know exactly how many years. Bad luck in our QB choices? Could be, we've had some losers come in here--but that can't explain all the years of drought. Or do they just not think it's worth the time and effort to try in the days of F.A.? (How to explain the Ted White Project, then?) Are home grown QB's something we must always do without? Does any other team in the NFL have a more dismal record at this? [This message has been edited by FloridaChief (edited 08-24-2000).]
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08-24-2000, 12:18 PM	#20
The Blessed Virgin Larry Guest Casino cash: $	Fla Chief, YES it bothers me also. Maybe, just maybe it would be a good thing to hire a QB coach that has actually played QB in the NFL!!! What a novel idea!
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08-24-2000, 11:30 AM
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	It could very well be. Moon will be jockeying around for 2nd or 3rd QB behind Elvis and that decision will be based on the outcome of his playing time vs Tampa. Should Warren have a bad showing then Todd Collins will lock-up the #2 slot (barring a last minute waiver wire pick-up). Seems unlikely to me that Moon will accept being 3rd string and may very well opt to retire. Of course it's possible that he would try to become another team's back-up, but I don't see it happening. So tomorrow could be Moon's NFL finale. Thoughts, one way or the other?
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08-24-2000, 12:22 PM	#21
Boise_Chief The Lurkiest Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Boise,ID Casino cash: $-705812	Moon should win the backup job. Neither Collins nor White has stepped up so......Moon is the man
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08-24-2000, 12:23 PM	#22
Fat Homer Guest Casino cash: $	Hehe - yeah TX, I think that'd be a good start! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] I [i]had[/i] a problem with the Marty regime - and their inability/unwillingness to develop a QB. However, that regime came to an end in '99 when Gun took over. I liked the move with White - as did most other KC fans. We took a chance (very small one, but a chance all the same) on a young QB & sent him off to Europe. He hasn't panned out & probably never will ($1million velocity, but poor aim & gets rattled). I do not take that as a sign that Gun & Co. are just going to 'give up' on developing a QB -- I take it as what it is - we tried, it didnt work, so we'll try again. [This message has been edited by HC_Chief (edited 08-24-2000).]
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08-24-2000, 12:45 PM	#23
Mark M [BornChiefs] Guest Casino cash: $	unfortunately, I think moon will be the #2 this year, collins #3 and ted can look forward to a rewarding career in the XFL. I'd like to see Moon as the QB coach next year and bring in some new talent...top to bottom at QB...But you know Elvis will be in the building. I don't hate Elvis, I just believe he would make a quality backup.
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08-24-2000, 12:50 PM	#24
JOhn El' Barto Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Cody, WY / Tucson AZ Casino cash: $9964900	Hey all, Hows your day? IMO, i think that moon should be given the back-up job. Collins has a decent arm, but makes poor decisions under pressure. White...boy, where should we start? He is constantly passing into heavy coverage, and should have more INT's than he does.(We have been lucky!)We should definitely look for a new QB in offseason! kcmax Hoping Elvis stays healthy!
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08-24-2000, 02:22 PM	#25
Traveller Poker Face Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: SoCal Casino cash: $6681925	Hey HC - sorry, but no one checked my IQ at the door and I got in! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] And I'm carrying my autographed Moon jockstrap with me! [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img] Seriously, last year I made a case for Moon being a better QB than Grbac, and well, we never found out. This year I'm not so sure anymore (haven't seen him play at all) - time may have caught up with him. BTW, Florida Chief our current QB coach (Tom Clements) DID play in the NFL (one year with the Chiefs in 1980). Kokanee (formerly aka Reality Check)
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08-24-2000, 02:30 PM	#26
alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $-113564	Kokanee- Welcome to the Planet. Clements is one of the reasons I have hope for Grbac’s continued improvement. Grbac’s weaknesses are in the mental game, and perhaps someone who has been there and done that can help him improve his decisions under pressure. xoxo~ gaz realizes he's putting a lot of faith in an ex-QB.<BR>
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08-24-2000, 02:48 PM	#27
Traveller Poker Face Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: SoCal Casino cash: $6681925	Thanks, Gaz - it's good to see your keen and intelligent analysis, no doubt borne of your wonderful profession, here on this board too! (Yeah, I'm an engineer too [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]) But regarding your faint hopes for Clements and Grbac - well, don't hold your breath. I'm one who believes more in the nature side of the nature/nurture argument when it comes to QB. And regardless of how well Tom Clements performed under pressure in his career (and believe me, I saw it first hand, many, many times up here in the CFL), I think there is precious little he can do to impart the same ability to EG. I think he can help him a bit with reads, technique, drills, conditioning, etc., but what goes on between the ears when 300 pounds of man mountain is bearing down on you is pretty much unteachable. Sorry, JMHO. Kokanee - not wanting to throw a bucket of cold water in only his second post
Posts: 158

08-24-2000, 03:43 PM	#28
Woodrow Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	IMO, it is not necessarily fair to the Chiefs organization to say they are unable to develope young quarterbacks. Somebody on this BB that is a statistics nut, tell me how many QBs are drafted or signed as rookie FAs each year. Yet only 1 or 2 new QBs TYPICALLY in a year take over a club in the NFL. Its like cold selling, you gotta get 10 nos to get a yes. Granted, you would think over the years that the percentages would catch up with us. Maybe if we go 3-13 like some are suggesting this year, we will get a chance to pick a can't miss QB (like Leaf [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]) with the first or second pick next year. B^2
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08-24-2000, 03:53 PM	#29
Chieffan Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	If Collins is just rusty in game situations, then keep him. If this is indicative of what he can do, keep him until a better candidate comes by on the wire. Moon should be the #2 on game experience alone. White goes to the practice squad. When you play games close to the vest like the Chiefs, your backup QB never plays. The 49ers would blow someone out 28-0 at half and the #2 or #3 would work in the 4th quarter. Anyone seen Steve Stenstrom??? [This message has been edited by Oxford (edited 08-24-2000).]
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08-25-2000, 06:37 AM	#30
alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $-113564	Kokanee- ENGINEERS RULE! And you could be right about Clements. It is a slim hope, but it is the only hope I have. Unless Grbac drastically improves his pocket decisions this season, we will need a new QB in 2001. We have no QBOTF candidate, so we would be starting from scratch again. It’s true that Clements won’t add any gray matter twixt Grbac’s ears, but hopefully he can help Grbac get the most out of what he has. xoxo~ gaz knows his bubble is perilously close to bursting.<BR>
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