Chiefs I don't care about 0-4 in the preseason, but I'm concerned about... - Page 4

Frankie · 09-01-2011, 09:56 PM

... our #1 D looking lost in the first couple of drives of each game. I saw that in some regular season games as well last year and I hope it's not become a KC Chiefs signature.

As improved as we are on paper we cannot afford to start getting it together 14 points behind with the regular season opponents we will have.

Thoughts?

TEX · 09-02-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Exactly. 9 wins is our ceiling, 8 if we're lucky. Our schedule is brutal, but our division is a joke.

I don't agree that we'll win "8 if we're lucky" and I'll tell you why. It's is because of our division. We were 2-4 last year within the division. If we dramatically improve there, winning 10 games is very possible.

**HemiEd** · 09-02-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Ours has been worse than atrocious for the first two drives. Then something happens and they wake up. But like I said, as a Chiefs fan I'm truly worried about that little habit.

The Chiefs D looked great last night after Aaron Rodgers grabbed some bench. Their 2nd stringer, made Palko look legit.

O.city · 09-02-2011, 09:30 AM

I think that the d getting gouged just goes to show that in the NFL, one blown assignment or missed gap can lead to a big gain. I know we didn't quite have the preaseason we wanted but it is steal preseason

Frankie · 09-02-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think that the d getting gouged just goes to show that in the NFL, one blown assignment or missed gap can lead to a big gain. I know we didn't quite have the preaseason we wanted but it is steal preseason

Meh, in the preseason, not all teams fully open their playbooks. I think that probably explains our O.

But this thing about falling into an early hole is a bad trend with the Chiefs that goes back a few years with us. I want to see our D come out aware and clicking at the very beginning of the games. A little frustrating when they seem to sleepwalk through the first couple of enemy drives.

ToxSocks · 09-02-2011, 10:41 AM

Why do people keep saying our division sucks? Yeah, the Donkeys suck, but that's about it.

SD has Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates back healthy. Phillip Rivers is an Elite QB. Chiefs fans, it's time for you guys to accept it. As long as Rivers is in the Division, the Chargers will always be a division contender.

Oakland Returns with #2 Rushing Offense in the NFL and they pounded the division last year
....

Yeah, Denver, you suck.

It's going to take 11 wins to take the division, at least.

ForeverChiefs58 · 09-02-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Why do people keep saying our division sucks? Yeah, the Donkeys suck, but that's about it.

SD has Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates back healthy. Phillip Rivers is an Elite QB. Chiefs fans, it's time for you guys to accept it. As long as Rivers is in the Division, the Chargers will always be a division contender.

Oakland Returns with #2 Rushing Offense in the NFL and they pounded the division last year
....

Yeah, Denver, you suck.

It's going to take 11 wins to take the division, at least.

Our division always plays us tough. I remember when SD was 1-15 and we were their one and only win. They play us hard no matter what. But I don't think anyone in our division will fare as well against the rest of the schedule.
I would be pretty shocked if anyone in the AFC west gets 11 wins this year.

Pants · 09-02-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain

There's no way in hell we lose more than 5 of these games.

Mr. Laz · 09-02-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain

There's no way in hell we lose more than 5 of these games.

you're on crack ... the Chiefs could be playing well and lose 5 straight

11	Nov 21	KC @ NE	Gillette Stadium	8:30 PM
12	Nov 27	PIT @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	8:20 PM
13	Dec 04	KC @ CHI	Soldier Field	1:00 PM
14	Dec 11	KC @ NYJ	MetLife Stadium	1:00 PM
15	Dec 18	GB @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM

RedThat · 09-02-2011, 11:38 AM

I think they lose all 5 of those games.

keg in kc · 09-02-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

is it stude or jackson or both?

i thought jackson looked like his usual puss self...i didn't catch much of the 2nd half...

I don't think Jackson's a puss as much I think he doesn't always do what exactly what he's supposed to. Which in this defense is a big deal. But I do think he does an adequate job of occupying his guy(s).

I think too many people (and I don't mean you when I'm saying this, just making a general comment...) are expecting the wrong thing from our d-line. This is not the Cowboys defense, these guys are not busting upfield to make plays in the backfield. That's just not their role. And I think failing to grasp that is what leads to so many people (starting with the media) complaining about Jackson and (I'm expecting...) Gregg and even Dorsey. Not taking down ball carriers in the backfield and not sacking quarterbacks does not mean they're playing poorly. Because, basically, the only time they get to go after guys is when a blocking assignment is completely whiffed. The rest of the time it's boring old trench work. Now if they get blown off the ball, that's another story. But most of the time their job is about holding people up so the linebackers are free to do their thing.

And unfortunately, Studebaker doesn't appear to be able to do that a lot of the time. He's not very agile or quick laterally, he doesn't have any speed in pursuit and he doesn't have the experience and knowledge that in the past let Vrabel compensate (to a degree) for those same limitations. I think we're going to see a lot of people targetting the left side of the defense this year, and while some of that may well be Jackson (he's not Dorsey...), I think the real weak link is Stude. Too many running plays this preseason have been stalled at the line, and then taken outside where he doesn't have the speed to cut them off before they get the corner.

**RealSNR** · 09-02-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

you're on crack ... the Chiefs could be playing well and lose 5 straight

11	Nov 21	KC @ NE	Gillette Stadium	8:30 PM
12	Nov 27	PIT @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	8:20 PM
13	Dec 04	KC @ CHI	Soldier Field	1:00 PM
14	Dec 11	KC @ NYJ	MetLife Stadium	1:00 PM
15	Dec 18	GB @ KC	Arrowhead Stadium	1:00 PM

Could lose them all.

Will they? Doubtful.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-02-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I think they lose all 5 of those games.

There's the problem. Stop doing that.

RedThat · 09-02-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

There's the problem. Stop doing that.

Yeah but its just my opinion.

Frankie · 09-02-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

My concern after watching that early drive is that teams will target Studebaker at the LOLB position all year long in the run game. They need to get Houston or Sheffield on the field early and often. That's what I see as really the only vulnerable spot on the field now.

Don't get me wrong I like both Sheff and Houston better that Studebaker. I don't know about last night but in the previous games a lot of the opponents' success in their initial drives were due to our players over shooting the backfield and playing themselves out of the play.

Both Sheff and Houston's styles are more aggressive than Studey's. Though as non-starters they had little involvement in the 1st couple of drives once they are in they have to learn to protect against overplaying the rush.

ToxSocks · 09-02-2011, 02:23 PM

I need to see Houston and The Sheriff play better in run support before I go crying that Studebaker should be benched.

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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2133063	Why do people keep saying our division sucks? Yeah, the Donkeys suck, but that's about it. SD has Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates back healthy. Phillip Rivers is an Elite QB. Chiefs fans, it's time for you guys to accept it. As long as Rivers is in the Division, the Chargers will always be a division contender. Oakland Returns with #2 Rushing Offense in the NFL and they pounded the division last year .... Yeah, Denver, you suck. It's going to take 11 wins to take the division, at least. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I think they lose all 5 of those games.
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2133063	I need to see Houston and The Sheriff play better in run support before I go crying that Studebaker should be benched. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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