Chiefs Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli - Page 5

Nightfyre · 09-07-2011, 12:53 AM

Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so.

Mine:

Changes in Head Coaches:
Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have.

Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes.

Drafting:
2009 -
Round 1:
Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position.

Round 2:
Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service.

Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part.

Round 3:
Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later.

Round 4:
Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him)

Round 5:
Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster.

Round 6:
Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad

Round 7:
Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans.

Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot?

Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one.

2010:

Round 1:
Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year.

Round 2:
Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick.

Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite.

Round 3:
Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential.

Round 4:
Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon.

Round 5:
Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve.

Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player.

2011 Draft:
Round 1:
Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside.

Round 2:
Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now.

Round 3:
Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar.

Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside.

Round 4:
Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar.

Round 5:
Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet.

Round 6:
Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet.

Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six.

Round 7:
Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad.

OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B
I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added.

Notable Free Agents:
2009:
Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB.
Terrence Copper - Special Teams player

2010:
Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective.

Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand.

Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him.

Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC.

Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective.

Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway.

2011:

Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe.

Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank.

Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of.

Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR.

Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic.

Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season.

Free Agency Grade: B-
We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency.

Pioli's overall grade: B

He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.

Chief Faithful · 09-07-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

You are right, I like reading Milkman's football takes, then someone will say something stupid in reponse and he can never let it alone. The corresponding stupidness is fun although it can go on too long if he is verbally jousting with another who can't leave the last comment alone. After a while the whole debate just devolves into a stupidfest, which can also be fun.

**HemiEd** · 09-07-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

excellent point.......all the experts on here need to get them a job as GM, Coach or buy a team

Well to be honest, they would have outperformed Pioli on that first draft, but I think he has more than made up for it, on the next two. He did very well IMO.

But I am still kind of perturbed that the team had 3 top 5 picks in a row (never before!) and did not take a shot at a legit franchise QB. I really like two of the picks, and hope the Jackson pick pans out to some degree, but I would have loved to have seen them take a shot at a QB.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

he is...and you are right. we seldom get a chance to give him a good whack

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

You are right, I like reading Milkman's football takes, then someone will say something stupid in reponse and he can never let it alone. The corresponding stupidness is fun although it can go on too long if he is verbally jousting with another who can't leave the last comment alone. After a while the whole debate just devolves into a stupidfest, which can also be fun.

As long as we dont cause the old guy to stroke out.. All will be fine.

nascher · 09-07-2011, 09:31 AM

You have to add Salary Cap Room Chiefs are Number 1 in the NFL and the Team is very young now.

Chiefnj2 · 09-07-2011, 09:32 AM

In year 3 the team should make the playoffs and be able to win a game.

**Predarat** · 09-07-2011, 09:33 AM

I give Pioli a C+.

Chief Faithful · 09-07-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Well to be honest, they would have outperformed Pioli on that first draft, but I think he has more than made up for it, on the next two. He did very well IMO.

But I am still kind of perturbed that the team had 3 top 5 picks in a row (never before!) and did not take a shot at a legit franchise QB. I really like two of the picks, and hope the Jackson pick pans out to some degree, but I would have loved to have seen them take a shot at a QB.

I have to give Pioli some slack for the first draft as the scouting department was still made up of Peterson disciples. It wasn't until the second draft that we start to see the Pioli style come through.

Fish · 09-07-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

he is...and you are right. we seldom get a chance to give him a good whack

**** you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

**** you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

Holy Shit...

Chief Pote · 09-07-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

A HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

But that HC better learn how to get the most from his "field supervisors" aka coaches. If he doesn't, his days are numbered....actually his time would just be shorten, most all get fired eventually.

**The Franchise** · 09-07-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Holy Shit...

Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

Chief Pote · 09-07-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

THIS

**HemiEd** · 09-07-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I have to give Pioli some slack for the first draft as the scouting department was still made up of Peterson disciples. It wasn't until the second draft that we start to see the Pioli style come through.

I agree with you for the most part, as mentioned in my first post in this thread. And I have said it many times before, including the first draft thread.

But that being said, to only hit on Mr. Irrelevant is below what almost anyone on this board would have done, by just reading the draftabulator posts.

I am sure Pioli cashed his paycheck that week, so he does need to take some of the responsibility IMO for that draft failure. It will always be part of his body of work.

Brock · 09-07-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

x2

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

09-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1348849	Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so. Mine: Changes in Head Coaches: Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have. Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes. Drafting: 2009 - Round 1: Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position. Round 2: Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service. Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part. Round 3: Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later. Round 4: Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him) Round 5: Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster. Round 6: Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad Round 7: Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans. Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot? Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one. 2010: Round 1: Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year. Round 2: Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick. Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite. Round 3: Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential. Round 4: Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon. Round 5: Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve. Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player. 2011 Draft: Round 1: Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside. Round 2: Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now. Round 3: Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar. Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside. Round 4: Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar. Round 5: Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet. Round 6: Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet. Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six. Round 7: Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad. OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added. Notable Free Agents: 2009: Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB. Terrence Copper - Special Teams player 2010: Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective. Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand. Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him. Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC. Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective. Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway. 2011: Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe. Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank. Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of. Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR. Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic. Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season. Free Agency Grade: B- We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency. Pioli's overall grade: B He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.
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