Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

What is he saying then? The Saints would very likely still have a SB win had they played a different team.

Reggie Wayne took a lot of heat for Peyton Manning's interception, but the fact is, Tracy Porter had Wayne's outside shoulder, and Manning made a bad read when he was rushed.

Because Porter had the outside shoulder, Wayne did what he should do and turned inside.

Manning threw to the outside.

Easy pick 6 with the game in the balance and less than 5 minutes to go.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by milkman

Reggie Wayne took a lot of heat for Peyton Manning's interception, but the fact is, Tracy Porter had Wayne's outside shoulder, and Manning made a bad read when he was rushed.

Because Porter had the outside shoulder, Wayne did what he should do and turned inside.

Manning threw to the outside.

Easy pick 6 with the game in the balance and less than 5 minutes to go.

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

Well, sure. But it seems to happen to Manning a lot in the play offs.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

And it does.

But this isn't just any QB.

This is Peyton Manning, ostensibly the greatest QB ever, and yet a QB who fails to make big plays in the biggest moments, consistently.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by milkman

And it does.

But this isn't just any QB.

This is Peyton Manning, ostensibly the greatest QB ever, and yet a QB who fails to make big plays in the biggest moments, consistently.

Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

It's not irrational to hate someone that beats the Chiefs so many times. it's irrational to NOT hate him.

I agree I'd take him over Cassel for sure though, can't argue that.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind...

GS 	Cmp 	Att 	Cmp% 	Yds 	TD 	Int 	Rate 	
19 	453 	718 	63.1% 	5389 	29 	19 	88.4

Yeah, 9-10.... when he wins, it's because he had little to do with it (reasons in this thread include the declining Pats defense and a SB run that "Manning had little to do with"). When he loses, there's no mention of the Colts' awful defense or the 300-400 yards passing that kept them in the game, it's all about that one play that made him look bad. Manning has lost a playoff game after throwing for 400+ yards, and Brady's won a SB after throwing for 145 yards.... those stats alone should show how many variables are involved and how much Manning means to that team. Hell, Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots.

Like it's been said several times... of course there have been concerns throughout his career, and no one has said he's the most clutch or the greatest playoff QB ever, but the cherry picking around here is ridiculous.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, I wouldn't mind...

GS 	Cmp 	Att 	Cmp% 	Yds 	TD 	Int 	Rate 	
19 	453 	718 	63.1% 	5389 	29 	19 	88.4

Yeah, 9-10.... when he wins, it's because he had little to do with it (reasons in this thread include the declining Pats defense and a SB run that "Manning had little to do with"). When he loses, there's no mention of the Colts' awful defense or the 300-400 yards passing that kept them in the game, it's all about that one play that made him look bad. Manning has lost a playoff game after throwing for 400+ yards, and Brady's won a SB after throwing for 145 yards.... those stats alone should show how many variables are involved and how much Manning means to that team. Hell, Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots.

Like it's been said several times... of course there have been concerns throughout his career, and no one has said he's the most clutch or the greatest playoff QB ever, but the cherry picking around here is ridiculous.

I really don't care about the numbers. What's real is the times he's shit himself. The numbers don't show that. Well, I suppose that 9-10 record does.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

And the very same thing could've happened to a different QB.

Any QB could choke the game killing pick-6 in a Super Bowl, that's true. But Manning was the one who managed to actually do it.

Congrats to him for choking horrendously in the big game. If that had been the first time he'd crapped out in the playoffs, he wouldn't have already had the label of choker before finally winning his gift SB.

9-10

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Any QB could choke the game killing pick-6 in a Super Bowl, that's true. But Manning was the one who managed to actually do it.

Congrats to him for choking horrendously in the big game. If that had been the first time he'd crapped out in the playoffs, he wouldn't have already had the label of choker before finally winning his gift SB.

9-10

You know what the Chiefs' QB records are in the playoffs in the same time frame?

0-3

That makes that 9-10 looked pretty ****ing attractive.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

You know what the Chiefs' QB records are in the playoffs in the same time frame?

0-3

That makes that 9-10 looked pretty ****ing attractive.

One has nothing to do with the other. Manning's a choker in the playoffs, regardless of the Chiefs recent playoff record.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

One has nothing to do with the other. Manning's a choker in the playoffs, regardless of the Chiefs recent playoff record.

No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty ****ing comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty ****ing comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

Again, this has nothing to do with Manning being a playoff choker. He's 9-10. Take a look at where his winning percentage puts him among the game's elite QBs. He's a choking dog, and I'm not a Chiefs fan.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty ****ing comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.