Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck

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Peyton Manning - QB - Colts John Michael Vincent of ESPN 1070 Indianapolis reports Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck.




@JMV1070JMV1070

Been told by multi sources that QB P Manning needs a 2nd neck procedure. Will remain out indefinitely.Called #colts and waiting on response.


amSchefterAdam Schefter

Filed to ESPN from @mortreport: Peyton Manning is being revaluated by several doctors bc of slow progress. No other procedure planned now.


mortreportChris Mortensen

Official: Sources say Manning had surgery this am - cervical fusion with 2-3 month minimum recovery.No word on whether he will be put on IR.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

No, one does have something to do with the other. It's pretty ****ing comical to watch Chiefs fans call out someone for being a playoff choker when their team can't even get to the playoffs to begin with. When you make the playoffs every damn year, you're going to lose playoff games.

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by milkman

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.

Well I'd point out the fact that Manning, unlike Marty, actually won a Super Bowl, and made it to another, but apparently those don't count.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well I've certainly never labeled him as the best QB ever, but I'd have given my left nut to have that playoff choker on my team. I think there's a lot of irrational hate towards him from Chiefs fans because he's beaten us so many times.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind...

GS 	Cmp 	Att 	Cmp% 	Yds 	TD 	Int 	Rate 	
19 	453 	718 	63.1% 	5389 	29 	19 	88.4

Yeah, 9-10.... when he wins, it's because he had little to do with it (reasons in this thread include the declining Pats defense and a SB run that "Manning had little to do with"). When he loses, there's no mention of the Colts' awful defense or the 300-400 yards passing that kept them in the game, it's all about that one play that made him look bad. Manning has lost a playoff game after throwing for 400+ yards, and Brady's won a SB after throwing for 145 yards.... those stats alone should show how many variables are involved and how much Manning means to that team. Hell, Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots.

Like it's been said several times... of course there have been concerns throughout his career, and no one has said he's the most clutch or the greatest playoff QB ever, but the cherry picking around here is ridiculous.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by milkman

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?

My hate for Marty is almost legendary.

He was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever, but a playoff choker.

Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever, but a playoff choker.

I'm not sure if I'd hate Manning as much as I hate Marty, but since Manning is gagging for the Colts, I don't actually hate him.

You may be the only person that hates Marty more than I do.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well I'd point out the fact that Manning, unlike Marty, actually won a Super Bowl, and made it to another, but apparently those don't count.

I'd point out the fact that Manning tried to give two playoff games away in that post season, including one to a hapless Chiefs team, and that his teamamtes carried him to victories in those two games.

He did have that one big moment, big play against the Patriots, finally, in that post season, and then simply had to outplay Rex Grossman.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, I wouldn't mind...

GS 	Cmp 	Att 	Cmp% 	Yds 	TD 	Int 	Rate 	
19 	453 	718 	63.1% 	5389 	29 	19 	88.4

Yeah, 9-10.... when he wins, it's because he had little to do with it (reasons in this thread include the declining Pats defense and a SB run that "Manning had little to do with"). When he loses, there's no mention of the Colts' awful defense or the 300-400 yards passing that kept them in the game, it's all about that one play that made him look bad. Manning has lost a playoff game after throwing for 400+ yards, and Brady's won a SB after throwing for 145 yards.... those stats alone should show how many variables are involved and how much Manning means to that team. Hell, Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots.

Like it's been said several times... of course there have been concerns throughout his career, and no one has said he's the most clutch or the greatest playoff QB ever, but the cherry picking around here is ridiculous.

I really don't care about the numbers. What's real is the times he's shit himself. The numbers don't show that. Well, I suppose that 9-10 record does.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well you're entitled to your opinion, but if that's how you feel don't ever let me catch you dropping the "bad calls are part of football and you have to play through them" line that I hear so often. And I know you're not a Chiefs fan, but the majority of those who are placing that label on him are.

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_sta...layoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'd point out the fact that Manning tried to give two playoff games away in that post season, including one to a hapless Chiefs team, and that his teamamtes carried him to victories in those two games.

He did have that one big moment, big play against the Patriots, finally, in that post season, and then simply had to outplay Rex Grossman.

That's one way to put it. Another is that, instead his usual of keeping his team in it despite a poor defense, that time around he stepped up when needed and made the plays to get them to the SB. Then he had to outplay the Bears defense.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_sta...layoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.

Ok, you win. He sucks.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_sta...layoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.

I guess the summation here is Terry Bradshaw is better at QB than Peyton Manning.. . . . and Bradshaw is > Steve Young.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Manning is 9-10. Take a look at what other top QBs have done in the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_sta...layoff_records

He's a dog in the postseason.

great link, thanks. can't believe Favre's playoff record is 2 games above .500, that's amazing.

Guess I need to put Favre ahead of Manning now too, he'll still be lower than Brady and Montana, but definitely higher than Peyton.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

That's one way to put it. Another is that, instead his usual of keeping his team in it despite a poor defense, that time around he stepped up when needed and made the plays to get them to the SB. Then he had to outplay the Bears defense.

The Colts defense stepped in that playoff run and played better than they have before or since.

Joseph Addai and Dominick Rhodes played like one of the best rushing duos in the league.

Manning had two terrible games.

The Bears had Rex Grossman.

Think about that.

Rex Grossman.

The Colts gave Manning all kinds of time in the pocket, and they played a Tampa 2.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

I guess the summation here is Terry Bradshaw is better at QB than Peyton Manning.. . . . and Bradshaw is > Steve Young.

Terry Bradshaw is the most underrated QB that I've ever seen, unless it's Bart Starr.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

The Colts defense stepped in that playoff run and played better than they have before or since.

Joseph Addai and Dominick Rhodes played like one of the best rushing duos in the league.

Manning had two terrible games.

The Bears had Rex Grossman.

Think about that.

Rex Grossman.

The Colts gave Manning all kinds of time in the pocket, and they played a Tampa 2.

The media had us running for 250 yards against that defense, and you just knew that because of all the love we were going to get stuffed. If we could have ran the ball, and/or had Law not tackled by a shoelace followed by Green being tackled by his own lineman Manning might not have won that Superbowl.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

That's one way to put it. Another is that, instead his usual of keeping his team in it despite a poor defense, that time around he stepped up when needed and made the plays to get them to the SB. Then he had to outplay the Bears defense.

The notion that Manning's defense has been poor is another misleading argument put out by his apologists. His first three playoff losses, for example, were by scores of

19-16
23-17
41-0

The first two aren't anything particularly bad for a defense to allow in a playoff game, and Manning didn't put a single point on the board in the beat down.

The points scored in the other losses

14 (Patriots won with 24)
3 (Patriots won with 20)
18 (Steelers won with 21)
24 (Chargers won with 28)
17 (Chargers won with 23)
17 (Saints won with 31, but that's because of the Manning pick-6)
16 (Jets won with 17)

The defense has played less than stellar, but it's not been any kind of disaster. Manning and his offense have put up 17 points or fewer in 8 of his 10 losses, and 18 points in another. It's not just that Manning hasn't helped his defense, it's that Manning and the offense has been a drag on the team.