Chiefs This is not a thread in defense of Matt Cassel, but.. - Page 4

Fritz88 · 02:16 PM

the entire team, coaching, special teams, OC (mother **** you Muir), DC has played like pure shit. Our CBs and LBs played the worst I have seen in a long, long time.

You lose at home, like this, at the start of the season, to a shitty team...then you abandon the season as a fan. I am fairly certain, unless Haley makes drastic changes and Cassel plays lights out, that this season is going down the shitter and it will be Haley's last year at KC. I also doubt we resign any of our prime players because no one wants to play in a ****ing sad team like this...

Rewatch the game and see the looks of our bench. It screams "**** my life this team is a ****ed up raped monkey fetus".

Abba-Dabba · 09-11-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so even after 30 years of fail, you'd rather they didn't try?

i'll never understand this....people would rather suck with shitty QBs then draft a bust in the 1st round

meanwhile, teams that want to win, draft first round QBs until they get it right

No I didn't say that at all. I can still hope for the best, but that does't mean I will have confidence that they can do it until they have atleast shown a tad bit of promise of being able to do so.

I can't remember any QB the Chiefs have aquired through the draft and have atleast developed even into a decent backup QB, let alone a shitty starter.

Oh Snap · 09-11-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Trent Green put up top 5 numbers, but he was what he was because he had weeks in the pocket with that O-Line.

He was, however, a legitimate NFL Qb, which can not be said about Cassel.

i agree, our OL was bomb back then.

The OL really is the foundation of an offense. That was the way that vermiel treated the OL, and it showed. We had one of the best offensive lines in the history imo.

And dead on about cassel. He is a backup at best.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-11-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

He really did.

He was only legitimately pressured 4 or 5 times today, and the sack he took that put Succop (who isn't getting any better) out of his range might have been more stupid than the sack that broke his rib.

Worst play a QB could make in that situation. Absolutely the worst play.

shocked · 09-11-2011, 02:38 PM

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Yea, lets continue to do it the herm way....Most of it has to do with the coaching.

Pit was a solid program, and has been for a while, as are both the colts and patriots. They are the clear exception to the norm.

The fact is, we need proven free agents.

If we did it you way during the vermiel years, we would have never landed Roaf, Holmes, Green, etc. We need to be more active during the free agency period than we have been.

Dont get me wrong, the draft is important, but you dont build championship caliber teams solely through the draft.

I love how your only knowledge of football comes ONLY from the Chiefs.

I also love how you cannot process how all FAs are NOT necessarily high priced.

Also, NE, PIT, and Indy are the *exception* to the rule? LOL. They *are* the rule. Name me three other teams that have built a more solid franchise? You can't. Name the ones who did it with HIGH PRICED FAs too. Hell, name me one team that did it the Dan Snider way.

Oh Snap · 09-11-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Go back and look at the SB winners for the last 10 or 15 years.

All of those teams were built through the draft, with very little free agent impact.

again, look at the FO's and coaching staffs...also drafting a caliber player like manning, where it actually turns out well, doesnt happen often. A lot of those teams got lucky...

milkman · 09-11-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

i agree, our OL was bomb back then.

The OL really is the foundation of an offense. That was the way that vermiel treated the OL, and it showed. We had one of the best offensive lines in the history imo.

And dead on about cassel. He is a backup at best.

Again, look at the O-Lines of the SB winners.

There's a couple of very good ones, but for the most part, it's QB play that wins SBs, and those QBs make their O-Lines look better than they are.

el borracho · 09-11-2011, 02:40 PM

64.5 QB rating with 10 of 22 completions going to the running backs. Just terrible. Please, please, please let this be Cassell's last year here.

shocked · 09-11-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

again, look at the FO's and coaching staffs...also drafting a caliber player like manning, where it actually turns out well, doesnt happen often. A lot of those teams got lucky...

Awesome. So name me the teams that didn't get "lucky" and built a quality franchise with High Priced FAs?

You can't.

Oh Snap · 09-11-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shocked

I love how your only knowledge of football comes ONLY from the Chiefs.

derp herp we're on a chiefs forum...

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I also love how you cannot process how all FAs are NOT necessarily high priced.

Also, NE, PIT, and Indy are the *exception* to the rule? LOL. They *are* the rule. Name me three other teams that have built a more solid franchise? You can't. Name the ones who did it with HIGH PRICED FAs too. Hell, name me one team that did it the Dan Snider way.

all assumptions of things I never said. And ive already addressed the part where coaching plays the ultimate role.

shocked · 09-11-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Again, look at the O-Lines of the SB winners.

There's a couple of very good ones, but for the most part, it's QB play that wins SBs, and those QBs make their O-Lines look better than they are.

So true.

Brady was the least sacked QB in 07 and 09. Yet Cassel was the MOST sacked QB in 08...behind the exact same line.

Look at the Colts oline w/o Peyton.

Cassel has no pocket presence. For all the crybaby whining, that's a legit knock against him. Hell, that's where so many of his probs stem from, IMO.

**Easy 6** · 09-11-2011, 02:43 PM

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After watching today I don't know how Cassel went 27/7 last year.

Weis is a wizard.

Haleys worst mistake, bar none... he should've done whatever it took to keep him here.

Stodgy, first timer Muir, calling in plays to Zorn, who turns around & sends them to Cassel... how the hell was that supposed to work?

Oh Snap · 09-11-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shocked

Awesome. So name me the teams that didn't get "lucky" and built a quality franchise with High Priced FAs?

You can't.

look here phaggot, I never said that teams should go strictly free agency while ****ing away with the draft.

The fact is, drafting alone, in our current state and our unique situation..is not enough for this team... ya dirty bitch.

Micjones · 09-11-2011, 02:44 PM

I honestly don't know how much his ribs affected his play today. You can't ignore that fact, but neither can you hang today's performance solely on the injury. Passes sailed (as a result of not stepping into throws). I have to think that's harder to do when your ribs are cracked. I could be wrong though. I'm no Jim Zorn. I won't pretend to know. But I also saw him putting the ball in bad spots and throwing behind receivers. Not sure you can blame a rib injury for that (as we've seen that in the past).

If these types of performances continue...
The Chiefs need to move on either during or after the '11 season.

kcpasco · 09-11-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I honestly don't know how much his ribs affected his play today. You can't ignore that fact, but neither can you hang today's performance solely on the injury. Passes sailed (as a result of not stepping into throws). I have to think that's harder to do when your ribs are cracked. I could be wrong though. I'm no Jim Zorn. I won't pretend to know.

If these types of performances continue though...
The Chiefs need to move on either during or after the '11 season.

Cassel passes have always sailed. He's a shit Qb plain and simple.

shocked · 09-11-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

derp herp we're on a chiefs forum...

Hey dumbass, the Chiefs aren't the only team in the NFL. If your only understanding of football comes solely from what happens here -- then you simply do not follow football.

Derp.

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all assumptions of things I never said. And ive already addressed the part where coaching plays the ultimate role.

Then wtf *are* you saying? Cause it sounds like you want high priced FAs. Sorry, but that won't build you a quality franchise.

09-11-2011, 01:24 PM
Fritz88 Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $8505943	This is not a thread in defense of Matt Cassel, but.. the entire team, coaching, special teams, OC (mother ** you Muir), DC has played like pure shit. Our CBs and LBs played the worst I have seen in a long, long time. You lose at home, like this, at the start of the season, to a shitty team...then you abandon the season as a fan. I am fairly certain, unless Haley makes drastic changes and Cassel plays lights out, that this season is going down the shitter and it will be Haley's last year at KC. I also doubt we resign any of our prime players because no one wants to play in a ing sad team like this... Rewatch the game and see the looks of our bench. It screams " my life this team is a *ed up raped monkey fetus". Last edited by Fritz88; 09-11-2011 at 02:16 PM..*
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09-11-2011, 02:40 PM	#52
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2709148	64.5 QB rating with 10 of 22 completions going to the running backs. Just terrible. Please, please, please let this be Cassell's last year here.
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09-11-2011, 02:44 PM	#58
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I honestly don't know how much his ribs affected his play today. You can't ignore that fact, but neither can you hang today's performance solely on the injury. Passes sailed (as a result of not stepping into throws). I have to think that's harder to do when your ribs are cracked. I could be wrong though. I'm no Jim Zorn. I won't pretend to know. But I also saw him putting the ball in bad spots and throwing behind receivers. Not sure you can blame a rib injury for that (as we've seen that in the past). If these types of performances continue... The Chiefs need to move on either during or after the '11 season. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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