Chiefs Welp, That Wasn't Good - Page 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2011, 06:24 PM

That looked like a bad football team that wasn’t prepared to play. That’s probably as succinct as I can be, but I do think there was a little more to it than just that.

1) The Baltimore game last year really exposed us. Since we switched to a 3-4 with OLBs who can’t cover, a number of people commented on the fact that the Chiefs would be abused by tight ends and by receiving backs. For a completely bizarre reason, no one really attempted to do it until Baltimore in last year’s WC game. They showed our complete inability to cover the TE, and Buffalo followed that script exactly. I imagine that will be a recurring problem, as none of our LBs, save for Johnson, have the ability to cover in space, and our safeties really aren’t that good at it either.

2) Some of the offensive ineptitude was due to the coordinator change, but I don’t think you can lay it all at the incompetent feet of Muir. That said, I don’t think he has any business coordinating an NFL offense, but Weis looked better than he probably was last year because Cassel’s numbers were so aberrational. His INT rate was so low, and his TD rate was so high (despite the fact that we didn’t move the ball through the air) that it made it appear as though he was far better than he was. If I were to draw an analogy to Cassel’s 2010, I’d say it was a flyball hitter who had a .380 BABIP. When he regresses this year, partially to his luck normalizing and partially due to playing a harder schedule, it will make Weis look smarter than what he was and Haley and co. look worse.

3) I wonder if the lockout actually will have the opposite of the intended effect. Perhaps the cohesive “character” teams will look worse and the “talent” teams will look better because there was so little time to instill and refine a system, so it takes on more of a sandlot aspect. It’s complete conjecture, but it’s just something that popped in my head as I watched some of the early scores trickle in.

4) Haley’s not in danger this year, but he probably should be, as the coaching situation is one entirely of his own making and the guy he fired put clown shoes on him today, while the other guy he ran off looks golden simply from a lack of association. Cassel probably goes before Haley, even though it shouldn’t be an either/or situation.

5) The clamoring for Stanzi worries me just a touch. He had a fine preseason, but he wasn’t an elite player by any means, and I think handing the reigns over to him or keeping them in Cassel’s hands could be an egregious mistake. I guess want I mean to say is this: if and when the season gets away, give him some run, but unless he does something absolutely extraordinary, don’t let his play influence your desire to go out and acquire a quarterback early.

That’s all I really have. At least…Warpaint looked good today??

**doomy3** · 09-11-2011, 06:56 PM

Very solid points, Hamas. Hadn't thought about the angle of the lockout possibly affecting the less talented/more system based teams more, but that could very well be a reality.

Makes it even more asinine that Haley was so soft on them this preseason and had them go to the movies instead of practice, etc. IMO.

Bewbies · 09-11-2011, 06:57 PM

Hell, Cam Newton looked like a star today...

**notorious** · 09-11-2011, 06:59 PM

Nice synopsis, but my summary of the game is for the simple man:

FAIL

ChiefsCountry · 09-11-2011, 07:02 PM

Berry being out just funked the whole defense.

**notorious** · 09-11-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Berry being out just funked the whole defense.

It would be nice to go away from this game thinking,"Maybe we just had a horrible day."

Instead, we know this team is bad, and it's best player is on the shelf.

**dirk digler** · 09-11-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, I've definitely gone soft.

I watched the Mizzou game on Friday night with the same kind of lobotomized acceptance.

I know what you mean. I didn't yell at the TV once today and didn't wish bad things on the opposing team or refs

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-11-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, I've definitely gone soft.

I watched the Mizzou game on Friday night with the same kind of lobotomized acceptance.

Sounds familiar.

Rosemary Kennedy would have given more of a shit than I did today. I rarely if ever leave games early, and if I do, it's with only a few minutes left.

Today?

4:00 left in the 3rd quarter.

Pretty much drove 4 hours home in a fog.

As Ron Burgandy once said, "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."

Impressed they could even exceed my expectations of suckitude.

Hammock Parties · 09-11-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sounds familiar.

Rosemary Kennedy would have given more of a shit than I did today. I rarely if ever leave games early, and if I do, it's with only a few minutes left.

Today?

4:00 left in the 3rd quarter.

Pretty much drove 4 hours home in a fog.

As Ron Burgandy once said, "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."

Impressed they could even exceed my expectations of suckitude.

That's incredible....you left today's the game before I left the playoff game (~10 in the 4th)

And I don't blame you one bit.

Ugh.

O.city · 09-11-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sounds familiar.

Rosemary Kennedy would have given more of a shit than I did today. I rarely if ever leave games early, and if I do, it's with only a few minutes left.

Today?

4:00 left in the 3rd quarter.

Pretty much drove 4 hours home in a fog.

As Ron Burgandy once said, "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."

Impressed they could even exceed my expectations of suckitude.

It was amazing man. They just didn't seem to even want to be there. The defensive players seemed to be trying in the first half but nothing was going right. They just were bad today.

**notorious** · 09-11-2011, 07:24 PM

It was a very mellow defeat.

No thrown remotes, no cussing, just a few sad laughs at how pathetic the Chiefs were.

BryanBusby · 09-11-2011, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Berry being out just funked the whole defense.

Because they were doing so well before then

Titty Meat · 09-11-2011, 07:28 PM

**** off.

Deberg_1990 · 09-11-2011, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Rosemary Kennedy would have given more of a shit than I did today. I rarely if ever leave games early, and if I do, it's with only a few minutes left.

Today?

4:00 left in the 3rd quarter.

Pretty much drove 4 hours home in a fog.

As Ron Burgandy once said, "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."

Impressed they could even exceed my expectations of suckitude.

heh, im waiting for the first thread that tries to blame it on the crowd. You know its coming..

**TrebMaxx** · 09-11-2011, 07:32 PM

We miss Smith. The nut crusher brought a nasty attitude that this team lacks.

FloridaMan88 · 09-11-2011, 07:33 PM

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Haley’s not in danger this year, but he probably should be, as the coaching situation is one entirely of his own making and the guy he fired put clown shoes on him today, while the other guy he ran off looks golden simply from a lack of association. Cassel probably goes before Haley, even though it shouldn’t be an either/or situation.

This is Haley's final year before his lameduck contract year which means the Chiefs will either fire him or give him a contract extension at year's end.

I'd say that means Haley is in considerable danger if today is a preview of what is to come this year. He already has the wreckless handling of the Chiefs preseason strategy on his tainted record.

09-11-2011, 06:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7249572	Welp, That Wasn't Good That looked like a bad football team that wasn’t prepared to play. That’s probably as succinct as I can be, but I do think there was a little more to it than just that. 1) The Baltimore game last year really exposed us. Since we switched to a 3-4 with OLBs who can’t cover, a number of people commented on the fact that the Chiefs would be abused by tight ends and by receiving backs. For a completely bizarre reason, no one really attempted to do it until Baltimore in last year’s WC game. They showed our complete inability to cover the TE, and Buffalo followed that script exactly. I imagine that will be a recurring problem, as none of our LBs, save for Johnson, have the ability to cover in space, and our safeties really aren’t that good at it either. 2) Some of the offensive ineptitude was due to the coordinator change, but I don’t think you can lay it all at the incompetent feet of Muir. That said, I don’t think he has any business coordinating an NFL offense, but Weis looked better than he probably was last year because Cassel’s numbers were so aberrational. His INT rate was so low, and his TD rate was so high (despite the fact that we didn’t move the ball through the air) that it made it appear as though he was far better than he was. If I were to draw an analogy to Cassel’s 2010, I’d say it was a flyball hitter who had a .380 BABIP. When he regresses this year, partially to his luck normalizing and partially due to playing a harder schedule, it will make Weis look smarter than what he was and Haley and co. look worse. 3) I wonder if the lockout actually will have the opposite of the intended effect. Perhaps the cohesive “character” teams will look worse and the “talent” teams will look better because there was so little time to instill and refine a system, so it takes on more of a sandlot aspect. It’s complete conjecture, but it’s just something that popped in my head as I watched some of the early scores trickle in. 4) Haley’s not in danger this year, but he probably should be, as the coaching situation is one entirely of his own making and the guy he fired put clown shoes on him today, while the other guy he ran off looks golden simply from a lack of association. Cassel probably goes before Haley, even though it shouldn’t be an either/or situation. 5) The clamoring for Stanzi worries me just a touch. He had a fine preseason, but he wasn’t an elite player by any means, and I think handing the reigns over to him or keeping them in Cassel’s hands could be an egregious mistake. I guess want I mean to say is this: if and when the season gets away, give him some run, but unless he does something absolutely extraordinary, don’t let his play influence your desire to go out and acquire a quarterback early. That’s all I really have. At least…Warpaint looked good today??
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09-11-2011, 06:56 PM	#16
doomy3 Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $3313539	Very solid points, Hamas. Hadn't thought about the angle of the lockout possibly affecting the less talented/more system based teams more, but that could very well be a reality. Makes it even more asinine that Haley was so soft on them this preseason and had them go to the movies instead of practice, etc. IMO.
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notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-774116	Nice synopsis, but my summary of the game is for the simple man: FAIL
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