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Old 09-13-2011, 09:24 PM   #1
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:25 PM   #2
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Do you believe in tanking to try for the top pick?
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Do you believe in tanking to try for the top pick?

I'm not a quitter, it's just not in my makeup.



Besides, it would take total failure to get the number 1, and I think this team is to good to fail that badly.


I don't want to get in the 6-10 to 9-7 cycle where we have a QB that wins some games, but puts us out of the running for drafting a real franchise QB.

BUT

I would rather fail and get a guy that has a 10% chance to be elite then a QB that wins 8-9 games but has 0% chance of winning it all.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:34 PM   #4
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:43 PM   #5
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We've lost lots of games in plenty of seasons but it hasn't really helped.

So yeah, I guess I'd just as soon win some instead.

I've been rooting for this team for over 40 years. Playing for next season loses its appeal after a while.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:35 PM   #6
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I'm not a quitter, it's just not in my makeup.



Besides, it would take total failure to get the number 1, and I think this team is to good to fail that badly.


I don't want to get in the 6-10 to 9-7 cycle where we have a QB that wins some games, but puts us out of the running for drafting a real franchise QB.

BUT

I would rather fail and get a guy that has a 10% chance to be elite then a QB that wins 8-9 games but has 0% chance of winning it all.
I get that. The football season is so short and each game means so much you can't really have normal ups and downs. It's kind of an all or nothing sport.
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Do you believe in tanking to try for the top pick?
Yes?

What's the best position at the end of the season?

Super bowl winner of course.....

What's the second best?

1st pick in the draft(especially now that contracts aren't insane).

Look I'd love t see the team win out, but you know what, I don't want wins, I want championships. Until the chiefs get a franchise QB we're not winning a championship, that's not a maybe, it's a statistic for how the game is played today.
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Yes?

What's the best position at the end of the season?

Super bowl winner of course.....

What's the second best?

1st pick in the draft(especially now that contracts aren't insane).

Look I'd love t see the team win out, but you know what, I don't want wins, I want championships. Until the chiefs get a franchise QB we're not winning a championship, that's not a maybe, it's a statistic for how the game is played today.
I would think making the Super Bowl and losing it would be second best but I do understand your point.
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I would think making the Super Bowl and losing it would be second best but I do understand your point.
Yea I know what you mean and I was like that at one point, but that's not really me now. Some people are ok with second place, to me it's victory or death, there is no second place.
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Yea I know what you mean and I was like that at one point, but that's not really me now. Some people are ok with second place, to me it's victory or death, there is no second place.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:32 AM   #11
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Yes?

What's the best position at the end of the season?

Super bowl winner of course.....

What's the second best?

1st pick in the draft(especially now that contracts aren't insane).

Look I'd love t see the team win out, but you know what, I don't want wins, I want championships. Until the chiefs get a franchise QB we're not winning a championship, that's not a maybe, it's a statistic for how the game is played today.


Yes. I would MUCH rather KC be like Carolina and not like that shitty team in Pittsburgh. I mean, the Steelers NEVER pick first.. they suck!

Chiefs fans are so defeatist.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:51 AM   #12
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I mean, the Steelers NEVER pick first.. they suck!
The one time in recent history that they picked in the top 10, they picked a franchise QB. Seemed to work out okay for them.
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The one time in recent history that they picked in the top 10, they picked a franchise QB. Seemed to work out okay for them.
They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

I will not root for the Chiefs to lose, but the impact of Berry's loss is going to be profound.

Berry struggled early in pass coverage as a rookie, but he improved tremendously as the season progressed, and that's going to be a huge loss for us in pass defense.

But his impact as a run defender, and the loss of that impact in this defense can not be overstated.

He was the primary reason that this run defense wasn't among the wost in the league last year.

Romeo Crennel is going to have to work a miricle to keep this defense from falling into the 25th or lower defense in the NFL this year.

With Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburg and the Jets on the schedule this year, I expect Cassel will have worse games than this one against Buffalo.
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They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

I will not root for the Chiefs to lose, but the impact of Berry's loss is going to be profound.

Berry struggled early in pass coverage as a rookie, but he improved tremendously as the season progressed, and that's going to be a huge loss for us in pass defense.

But his impact as a run defender, and the loss of that impact in this defense can not be overstated.

He was the primary reason that this run defense wasn't among the wost in the league last year.

Romeo Crennel is going to have to work a miricle to keep this defense from falling into the 25th or lower defense in the NFL this year.

With Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburg and the Jets on the schedule this year, I expect Cassel will have worse games than this one against Buffalo.
I agree with all of that. I don't know if Barry was the 'best' player on defense yet, but I think the dropoff between him and anyone else at his position on the roster was far and away the largest, and I think the importance of his role in and his presence with the defense can't be overstated.

As far as winning, I don't want to see them lose. Ever. I hate losing so much I'll get to the point where I stop watching games altogether. So, no, I don't want them to sacrifice a season for any reason. And as far as Luck or anybody else goes, I wouldn't get my hopes up anyway. I don't have any faith that the franchise would ever draft a quarterback early under any circumstances, so you'd be left with a situation where you're going 2-14 for a shot at what would probably end up being a defensive or offensive lineman.

Yay.
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They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

I will not root for the Chiefs to lose, but the impact of Berry's loss is going to be profound.

Berry struggled early in pass coverage as a rookie, but he improved tremendously as the season progressed, and that's going to be a huge loss for us in pass defense.

But his impact as a run defender, and the loss of that impact in this defense can not be overstated.

He was the primary reason that this run defense wasn't among the wost in the league last year.

Romeo Crennel is going to have to work a miricle to keep this defense from falling into the 25th or lower defense in the NFL this year.

With Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburg and the Jets on the schedule this year, I expect Cassel will have worse games than this one against Buffalo.
Truth hurts.

Sigh....the Lions are going to murder us....
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