Chiefs Exposed - Page 4

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-18-2011, 07:06 PM

What else can you really say? This is a terrible football team.

What does it portend? That's a little harder to say.

1) I was willing to grant Haley some slack after the disastrous season opener, but seeing how this team responded, and how it has responded the last four games, he needs to be a dead man walking. The problem with Haley is the problem that happens with any hothead, whether it's Lou Piniella, Bobby Valentine, or Mangino: no one wants to play for, or listen to a prick when they are losing. If he could command respect it's one thing, but being a failed golfer who got into the NFL through daddy connections will kill him in a situation like this. It's the height of irony, really.

That team has a lot of quit in it.

2) Pioli may be one of the luckiest men in the NFL if this team is as bad as it looks right now. His own mismanagement of the team could literally cause the franchise to fall ass over teakettle into Andrew Luck, a pick for which he would take all the credit.

3) Romeo's defense is antiquated. You can't sit back and wait for a QB to pick you apart in a league where corners can't jam and you only have one legitimate pass rusher. This team needs to be shooting gaps and leaning on its corners, not expecting the linebackers and safeties to cover down the field or in the seams.

4) The telephone game is one of many things killing the offense. You can't say that multiple relays/filters is a good idea in a situation like that. It's one more potential area for failure. You don't need four sticks of RAM that have the same total capacity as two would.

5) The injuries have been disastrous, but you can't dodge that bug forever. I read an NFL preview on Grantland where Bill Barnwell pointed out the staggeringly low number of games lost by the Chiefs last year. This is the unlucky flip side of that coin. Given the schedule and the lack of focus, it's not the worst of all possible breaks to have it happen this year.

What can you say, really?

A lot of this stems from the 2009 offseason. By trading for Cassel in February, Pioli effectively passed on both Stafford and Sanchez. He hired Haley, a guy who looks daily more like the Reno airshow, and he made possibly the worst pick in Chiefs history at #3, and followed it up with maybe the worst draft in Chiefs history.

The ideology behind the roster construction is totally bankrupt, so it's hard to have much of any faith at this point.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-18-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oRYMANo

The 3-4 Defense is a giant failure. It's time to go to the 4-3. Hope fully they could at least stop the run with Powe's fat ass in there.

Powe has been inactive both games.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Haley probably would have eventually been hired as another team, but I don't think that he would have been hired by a team without tree connections, as I don't think that he has a personality necessary to be a HC for guys making millions.

Let's not go overboard here. Haley was a coveted coach and I think it's a little convenient to say this team gave up because Haley is a dick. Let's not use the convenient argument that Haley was only hired because of "the tree."

Haley's been effective at coaching some areas, and he's made a few mistakes here and there. But you can only coach what you have on the field. And when you take away Moeaki and Berry, this team is average at best. When you take away Moeaki, Berry, and Charles... this team is downright ugly.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oRYMANo

The 3-4 Defense is a giant failure. It's time to go to the 4-3. Hope fully they could at least stop the run with Powe's fat ass in there.

I'm fine with the 3-4.

But I'm really questioning if the 2-gap version is out-of-date. Switch over to 1-gap or Zone Blitz.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-18-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Let's not go overboard here. Haley was a coveted coach and I think it's a little convenient to say this team gave up because Haley is a dick. Let's not use the convenient argument that Haley was only hired because of "the tree."

Haley's been effective at coaching some areas, and he's made a few mistakes here and there. But you can only coach what you have on the field. And when you take away Moeaki and Berry, this team is average at best. When you take away Moeaki, Berry, and Charles... this team is downright ugly.

You could have summed all that up by just saying Matt Cassel sucks.

Brianfo · 09-18-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Let's not go overboard here. Haley was a coveted coach and I think it's a little convenient to say this team gave up because Haley is a dick. Let's not use the convenient argument that Haley was only hired because of "the tree."

Haley's been effective at coaching some areas, and he's made a few mistakes here and there. But you can only coach what you have on the field. And when you take away Moeaki and Berry, this team is average at best. When you take away Moeaki, Berry, and Charles... this team is downright ugly.

I agree. The only playmakers on both sides of the ball. Moeaki was also Cassels safety blanket. FUK U Jon Baldwin.

Deberg_1990 · 09-18-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Haley was a coveted coach

He was? By who other than the Chiefs?

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

He was? By who other than the Chiefs?

Granted, it was only the media hyping him up, but even before the Chiefs entered the head coach picture, he was touted as an up-and-coming coach because of the Cards' Super Bowl run. He wasn't interviewed by many teams because teams generally don't poach coordinators in the middle of a Super Bowl run.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

You could have summed all that up by just saying Matt Cassel sucks.

It's a little of that, and a little of just shitty luck striking at the wrong time.

What makes me more okay with the timing of all this is t hat clearly we're not getting to the Super Bowl with Matt Cassel. And if there was ever a year for the Chiefs to be in the QB sweepstakes, this is the year.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-18-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's a little of that, and a little of just shitty luck striking at the wrong time.

What makes me more okay with the timing of all this is t hat clearly we're not getting to the Super Bowl with Matt Cassel. And if there was ever a year for the Chiefs to be in the QB sweepstakes, this is the year.

Yep. I'm just terrified Pioli will pass on Luck.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yep. I'm just terrified Pioli will pass on Luck.

Sad but true

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-18-2011, 08:29 PM

The vast majority of the pub Haley got run for was the fact that he was irascible and always argued with players, whether Warner (well publicized), Boldin, or others.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-18-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The vast majority of the pub Haley got run for was the fact that he was irascible and always argued with players, whether Warner (well publicized), Boldin, or others.

C'mon man. The reason Haley got publicity is because Warner, Boldin and Fitzgerald gushed over the guy. Keyshawn Johnson gushed over the guy. Steve Breaston wanted to come back to Haley for cheap. If I'm not mistaken, Warner and Fitzgerald are still very close to Haley to this day.

You're twisting the facts. By all accounts, Haley was extremely well liked in Arizona by his players.

And I'm sure his publicity had just a little to do with the fact that he coordinated a Super Bowl offense.

**The Franchise** · 09-18-2011, 08:47 PM

At this point.....I want the entire coaching staff gone. Crennel's defensive schemes are horrible. Muir never should have been hired. Haley doesn't have enough sense to keep his nose out of offense.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-18-2011, 08:48 PM

My favorite play today was right before half when Cassel ran around for 10 minutes and then took a sack instead of wobbling the ball to the 15 yard line on a hail mary play.

**The Franchise** · 09-18-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

My favorite play today was right before half when Cassel ran around for 10 minutes and then took a sack instead of wobbling the ball to the 15 yard line on a hail mary play.

Did you see Haley after that happened? He was yelling at Cassel to just throw it up there.

Apparently Matt was waiting for someone to get open on the hail mary.

09-18-2011, 07:06 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7269572	Exposed What else can you really say? This is a terrible football team. What does it portend? That's a little harder to say. 1) I was willing to grant Haley some slack after the disastrous season opener, but seeing how this team responded, and how it has responded the last four games, he needs to be a dead man walking. The problem with Haley is the problem that happens with any hothead, whether it's Lou Piniella, Bobby Valentine, or Mangino: no one wants to play for, or listen to a prick when they are losing. If he could command respect it's one thing, but being a failed golfer who got into the NFL through daddy connections will kill him in a situation like this. It's the height of irony, really. That team has a lot of quit in it. 2) Pioli may be one of the luckiest men in the NFL if this team is as bad as it looks right now. His own mismanagement of the team could literally cause the franchise to fall ass over teakettle into Andrew Luck, a pick for which he would take all the credit. 3) Romeo's defense is antiquated. You can't sit back and wait for a QB to pick you apart in a league where corners can't jam and you only have one legitimate pass rusher. This team needs to be shooting gaps and leaning on its corners, not expecting the linebackers and safeties to cover down the field or in the seams. 4) The telephone game is one of many things killing the offense. You can't say that multiple relays/filters is a good idea in a situation like that. It's one more potential area for failure. You don't need four sticks of RAM that have the same total capacity as two would. 5) The injuries have been disastrous, but you can't dodge that bug forever. I read an NFL preview on Grantland where Bill Barnwell pointed out the staggeringly low number of games lost by the Chiefs last year. This is the unlucky flip side of that coin. Given the schedule and the lack of focus, it's not the worst of all possible breaks to have it happen this year. What can you say, really? A lot of this stems from the 2009 offseason. By trading for Cassel in February, Pioli effectively passed on both Stafford and Sanchez. He hired Haley, a guy who looks daily more like the Reno airshow, and he made possibly the worst pick in Chiefs history at #3, and followed it up with maybe the worst draft in Chiefs history. The ideology behind the roster construction is totally bankrupt, so it's hard to have much of any faith at this point.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7269572	The vast majority of the pub Haley got run for was the fact that he was irascible and always argued with players, whether Warner (well publicized), Boldin, or others. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2085047	At this point.....I want the entire coaching staff gone. Crennel's defensive schemes are horrible. Muir never should have been hired. Haley doesn't have enough sense to keep his nose out of offense.
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DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5664952	My favorite play today was right before half when Cassel ran around for 10 minutes and then took a sack instead of wobbling the ball to the 15 yard line on a hail mary play. __________________
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