Chiefs Blame Haley For Cassel’s Struggles - Page 3

Hammock Parties · 09-18-2011, 09:12 PM

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The Chiefs’ offensive troubles continued to linger Sunday as the team failed to put up a single touchdown drive. As the team progressively moves further towards obscurity, who should we point the finger at?

The most likely candidate to feel the wrath of a frustrated Chiefs fan base is starting quarterback Matt Cassel, who in no way resembles the quarterback who led a similar Kansas City offense to the playoffs en route to his first Pro Bowl appearance a year ago.

Did Cassel over achieve in 2010 or is there another problem that hasn’t been brought to light?

After watching his performance the past two weeks, I have to say it is the latter.

It’s hard to sugarcoat the statistics Cassel has put up over the past two weeks, but I will try to make the case. Through two weeks, Cassel has gone 37 of 58 for 252 yards with one touchdown, four interceptions and a quarterback rating of 54.5. He finished the 2010 season with 27 touchdowns, seven interceptions and a quarterback rating of 93.

Say what you want about Cassel, but last year his numbers were not only acceptable for a third-year starter, but undeniably good. So, is Cassel really the one who deserves the finger to be pointed at him or is it the management around him?

Shane Williams, of Warpaint TV, recently pointed out to me that although Cassel had a strong 2010 showing, he made a drastic downhill turn after his performance against the Tennessee Titans in Week 16.

What was the significance of that game? It was the last time former offensive coordinator Charlie Weis was making the play calls. According to Warpaint Illustrated sources, Weis was relieved of his play calling duties during the Chiefs’ victory over the Titans and coincidentally, Weis announced the next week he was leaving the Chiefs to take a job in Florida.

Cassel hasn’t been the same since.

In the Chiefs’ final two games of 2010, Cassel was a forgettable 20 of 51 with no touchdowns, five interceptions and a quarterback rating of 19.75. Through two regular season games in 2011, Cassel is looking less like the quarterback we saw in the first 15 games of 2010 and more like the quarterback we saw the final week against the Raiders and in the playoff game against the Ravens.

Cassel is not blameless in his regression but you can’t ignore the fact that Weis turned Cassel into a Pro Bowl quarterback. In return for his efforts he was relieved of his duties and shipped down to Florida for some family bonding.

The fact that Weis got more out of Cassel than any other coach he’s worked with is undeniable. The fault of letting that coach leave (assuming you believe the Chiefs explanation for the Weis “resignation”) lies at the feet of either Todd Haley or Scott Pioli (or both of them).

Anyone who made the drive to St. Joseph, MO for Chiefs training camp this summer could tell you that Cassel receives little to no support from his head coach. In watching the Chiefs through the preseason, it was apparent that new quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn was doing all he could to shield Cassel from Haley’s negative reinforcement.

Cassel has not been good through two games but the lion’s share of this team’s problems are not at the quarterback position. Cassel threw three interceptions Sunday (although two hit his receivers square in the hands) but how could you blame the guy for taking those kinds of risks?

Haley, who is supposed to have his starter’s back, undermined Cassel’s quarterbacks coach (Weis) during Cassel’s best season. He also seems eager to give the starting job to a journeyman named Tyler Palko.

Cassel is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Until his head coach gets back to coaching receivers instead of trying to be an offensive coordinator/quarterback repressor, Cassel’s production in Kansas City will be limited.

Red Dawg · 09-18-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

"Say what you want about Cassel, but last year his numbers were not only acceptable for a third-year starter, but undeniably good."

Anybody who watched the games last year knows for a fact that his numbers were drastically inflated by several 1 & 2 yard PA TD passes.

We also played the easiest teams in the league. Matt was shit against the 3 good teams we played.

I can't think of one thing he does good. He has a good heart and is likeable but his QB skills are not NFL quality.

WV · 09-18-2011, 11:11 PM

Stop linking that comic strip of a website.

ChiefsCountry · 09-18-2011, 11:24 PM

Cassel has only beat one playoff team during his time as a starter in the NFL that didn't come from the NFC West. That was the fluke Miami team of 2008. He is just a product of playing shitty teams mainly NFC and AFC West teams.

**petegz28** · 09-19-2011, 05:17 AM

One has to wonder WHY Haley is yelling at Cassel so much??? It wouldn't have anything with how Caseel performs I'm sure.

**bevischief** · 09-19-2011, 06:09 AM

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i am dumber for having read that crap.....

I agree.

memyselfI · 09-19-2011, 06:29 AM

I would only agree as far as Haley seems to be the source of many of the Chiefs troubles. His track record is not good. He has alienated or fired many people due to his personal inabilities to play nice thereby creating enemies. His finger pointing and pouting and acting 'all that' when he had not won a damn thing really rubbed people the wrong way. I think he's a mental case that deserves to be in a hospital somewhere and not on the sidelines.

With that said, Cassel has not played well and has stunk up the joint. But, does he have a reputation like Haley's? Does he have lots of enemies and people wanting to punk him (outside of KC, that is) like Haley does?

I think Cassel is a decent serviceable QB being ruined by his HC. Haley is ruining much of the team but Cassel is the most obvious glaring example.

movinbones · 09-19-2011, 07:02 AM

That may have been the worst article I have ever read.

Seriously???? 2 INT hit receivers SQUARE in the hands?? A quick slant that hits the WR in the face instead of where he can reach and make a catch with his hands and a pass that is high and behind in the NFL equals INT more times than not.

HE IS NOT ACCURATE... Get off his cock!!!!!

**Rausch** · 09-19-2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

So Cassel sucks because his coach yells at him

It's why Bill Parcells and John Gruden could never get a QB to-...wait...

cookster50 · 09-19-2011, 07:08 AM

So the author is saying that Cassel has a couple of plays he is capable of making and Weis would call those plays, but Haley refuses to call those same plays and instead calls plays that Cassel has no shot at making? Got it!

**Bane** · 09-19-2011, 07:09 AM

**** Casshole and anyone who still supports this piece of shit.Holy ****ing hell he don't even put up good stats when where down by 30+ anymore!!!!

durtyrute · 09-19-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Sorry dude, but a good QB makes good receivers... not the other way around.

Manning and Brady consistently make no-names, all stars.

This. It's amazing to me that in preseason when they had time both of our backups were able to move the offense. Yea I know that we were playing against backups but even our own recievers played differently, they actually were able to catch.

**Dave Lane** · 09-19-2011, 07:19 AM

How much lead paint did Nick eat as a child? Seriously this makes crazy people think he's off his chump.

splatbass · 09-19-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So if we end up with Luck, Weis leaving will be a blessing in disguise.

Everyone is talking about Luck. I have two questions for all of you.

1. What makes you think we have a chance in hell of getting Luck?

2. Why does everyone think he is a lock to be a great NFL QB? From my years of watching the draft I've learned that no one is a lock, no matter how good they were in college. Remember Todd Blackledge? Ryan Leaf? Rick Mirer? And a whole bunch more? Why is Luck different?

Molitoth · 09-19-2011, 09:17 AM

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2. Why does everyone think he is a lock to be a great NFL QB? From my years of watching the draft I've learned that no one is a lock, no matter how good they were in college. Remember Todd Blackledge? Ryan Leaf? Rick Mirer? And a whole bunch more? Why is Luck different?

Nobody is a lock to be great, and I think people understand that... although I think this fanbase wants to at least try through the draft. This organization has brought in failure QB's through Free Agency for almost 2 decades now (Minus Trent Green who was decent).

jd1020 · 09-19-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Everyone is talking about Luck. I have two questions for all of you.

1. What makes you think we have a chance in hell of getting Luck?

2. Why does everyone think he is a lock to be a great NFL QB? From my years of watching the draft I've learned that no one is a lock, no matter how good they were in college. Remember Todd Blackledge? Ryan Leaf? Rick Mirer? And a whole bunch more? Why is Luck different?

1. Because we have more than a legitimate shot to be the absolute worst team in the NFL.

2. Remember Elway? Manning? There are such things as locks. Luck is right there on their level of pre-NFL readiness.

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memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	I would only agree as far as Haley seems to be the source of many of the Chiefs troubles. His track record is not good. He has alienated or fired many people due to his personal inabilities to play nice thereby creating enemies. His finger pointing and pouting and acting 'all that' when he had not won a damn thing really rubbed people the wrong way. I think he's a mental case that deserves to be in a hospital somewhere and not on the sidelines. With that said, Cassel has not played well and has stunk up the joint. But, does he have a reputation like Haley's? Does he have lots of enemies and people wanting to punk him (outside of KC, that is) like Haley does? I think Cassel is a decent serviceable QB being ruined by his HC. Haley is ruining much of the team but Cassel is the most obvious glaring example. __________________ Meet the new boss same as the old boss. BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid." "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03
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movinbones Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: O Fallon,MO Casino cash: $9994900	That may have been the worst article I have ever read. Seriously???? 2 INT hit receivers SQUARE in the hands?? A quick slant that hits the WR in the face instead of where he can reach and make a catch with his hands and a pass that is high and behind in the NFL equals INT more times than not. HE IS NOT ACCURATE... Get off his cock!!!!!
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cookster50 Supreme Commander of My House Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $83622	So the author is saying that Cassel has a couple of plays he is capable of making and Weis would call those plays, but Haley refuses to call those same plays and instead calls plays that Cassel has no shot at making? Got it!
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