Chiefs It's been said before but I'm honestly currious start Stanzi?? - Page 3

chiefscafan · 09-19-2011, 12:16 PM

Stanzi posts have been on here but I'm currious do you start him now? Or do you stick with cassel and see if he can turn it around?

Now more than ever this is becoming a reality.

jspchief · 09-19-2011, 12:51 PM

The problem is gameday "active" roster spots.

They can list Stanzi as the emergency QB, which allows him to not consume an "active" roster spot, yet still play if the other 2 QBs go down. So theoretically, Stanzi would have to move up to the #2 on the depth chart, and Haley would have to be comfortable enough to have Palko only available in the event of 2 QB injuries.

Realistically for Stanzi to get in a game, one of a few things has to happen.

1. Both other QBs get hurt in game, making him active as the emergency QB.

2. A QB is hurt enough to be inactive, thus moving him up the depth chart by default.

3. Something has to shake up the depth chart.

I think the most realistic possibility at this point is #3. If Cassel continues to play like this, Haley is going to have to make a change. Whether through Cassel continuing to fail, or Stanzi progressing in practice, a shake-up to the depth chart is his best chance.

**Iowanian** · 09-19-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

u guy s bring up hes only a rookie,but big ben won the sb his rookie yr

Ryan Leaf was the #2 pick in the draft and started his rookie year. So did David Carr. Akili Smith....the list is a long one.

Frosty · 09-19-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

The problem is gameday "active" roster spots.

They can list Stanzi as the emergency QB, which allows him to not consume an "active" roster spot, yet still play if the other 2 QBs go down. So theoretically, Stanzi would have to move up to the #2 on the depth chart, and Haley would have to be comfortable enough to have Palko only available in the event of 2 QB injuries.

I think they did away with the emergency QB thing this year. Stanzi would take up a roster spot if he is active.

**the Talking Can** · 09-19-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

u guy s bring up hes only a rookie,but big ben won the sb his rookie yr

you should swallow a shotgun

jd1020 · 09-19-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

u guy s bring up hes only a rookie,but big ben won the sb his rookie yr

Huh? The Steelers lost to the Patriots in the playoffs Bens rookie year. He "won" the SB the next year when he had one of his all time worst performances.

dallaschiefsfan · 09-19-2011, 04:50 PM

Any QB that we could "ruin" due to starting him (last I checked, Stanzi is an NFL player) is a QB that isn't our QBOTF anyway. Legit, franchise QB's can emerge from these types of situations. Throw him in there. See if he takes the reigns...learns from adversity/mistakes and emerges as a franchise QB. If not....well...bye. Thanks for helping us get the # 1 pick. If he's lights out and causes us to win some more games than we would with Cassell, then who cares about the # 1 pick?

Frankie · 09-19-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Any QB that we could "ruin" due to starting him (last I checked, Stanzi is an NFL player) is a QB that isn't our QBOTF anyway.

I still favor NOT throwing him to the wolves. But I have to also say that reportedly one of Stanzi's positive points is that he does have "short memory" when it comes to his mistakes. He is probably more equipped than, say, Carr to not get his head messed up, but still....

**BossChief** · 09-19-2011, 05:20 PM

If being thrown to the wolves "ruins" your quarterback, he was never the guy to lead you to the promised land, anyway.

You have to possess the ability to fight through adversity and keep moving forward.

I think Stanzi should start after the bye week.

JMO

Okie_Apparition · 09-19-2011, 06:01 PM

Nothing personal, but the NFL is a cold bitch. He's a 5th rounder. If he's ruined big whoop.

Ace Gunner · 09-19-2011, 06:15 PM

imo Cassel has been handled like glass. It didn't work. I don't want them to start Stanzi at all this season. I'd love to have Andrew Luck but I'd hate to get there.

whoman69 · 09-19-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I've caught myself asking that same question the past 2 weeks, but there is a simple answer.

Stanzi has some tools that could allow him to be a solid QB in the league. That said, playing him too early would probably ruin him, because I doubt he's ready. I'm a big hawk fan and before the draft compared Stanzi to Cassel.

He's got the size, he's got the arm, he's got the work ethic, he's got experience in the big games(which Cassel doesn't).....BUT for every game he looked great or every fantastic throw made under pressure, he'd make the most bone-headed Casselesque throw into triple coverage.

No offseason, no minicamps.....no work in the offseason in a professional capacity....no.

I'd rather he have more time to study and learn before being thrown to the wolves. maybe later in the season for experience.

Stanzi reigned in the interceptions during his senior year. He does need to get acclimated to the speed.

I won't agree with anyone who says to keep Check Down in there. You are giving up by keeping him in. If Stanzi isn't ready, even Palko has to be a better choice. You know Check Down is a fail, you don't keep going back to him. Make Stanzi the backup so he gets more reps.

Coogs · 09-19-2011, 08:05 PM

Did Newton and Dalton have the off season to learn their offenses? Hell, both of those two look far better than what we have right now. I say play him. Play him now.

dallaschiefsfan · 09-19-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Did Newton and Dalton have the off season to learn their offenses? Hell, both of those two look far better than what we have right now. I say play him. Play him now.

EXACTLY

aturnis · 09-19-2011, 08:59 PM

Stanzi has had just as much time as Newton and Dalton and has every tool a QB needs to be successful. Stanzi could play just as well or better than Dalton, easy. His short memory should ease the mind of those who think "he'll be ruined". That is just ridiculous, if any QB on our roster looked like he was ready to play this season in the preseason, it was Stanzi.

I know all the comparisons Stanzi gets are to Brady, mostly b/c of the way he steps up his game in big games, and the fourth quarter. Also, his work ethic and knowledge of defenses. Some of you might be a bit more comfortable with a comparison to Matt Schaub as his ceiling. I think it's a little low compared to where I think it truly is, but more believable.

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09-19-2011, 12:51 PM	#31
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	The problem is gameday "active" roster spots. They can list Stanzi as the emergency QB, which allows him to not consume an "active" roster spot, yet still play if the other 2 QBs go down. So theoretically, Stanzi would have to move up to the #2 on the depth chart, and Haley would have to be comfortable enough to have Palko only available in the event of 2 QB injuries. Realistically for Stanzi to get in a game, one of a few things has to happen. 1. Both other QBs get hurt in game, making him active as the emergency QB. 2. A QB is hurt enough to be inactive, thus moving him up the depth chart by default. 3. Something has to shake up the depth chart. I think the most realistic possibility at this point is #3. If Cassel continues to play like this, Haley is going to have to make a change. Whether through Cassel continuing to fail, or Stanzi progressing in practice, a shake-up to the depth chart is his best chance. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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09-19-2011, 04:50 PM	#36
dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3068850	Any QB that we could "ruin" due to starting him (last I checked, Stanzi is an NFL player) is a QB that isn't our QBOTF anyway. Legit, franchise QB's can emerge from these types of situations. Throw him in there. See if he takes the reigns...learns from adversity/mistakes and emerges as a franchise QB. If not....well...bye. Thanks for helping us get the # 1 pick. If he's lights out and causes us to win some more games than we would with Cassell, then who cares about the # 1 pick? __________________
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09-19-2011, 05:20 PM	#38
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09-19-2011, 06:01 PM	#39
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	Nothing personal, but the NFL is a cold bitch. He's a 5th rounder. If he's ruined big whoop.
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09-19-2011, 06:15 PM	#40
Ace Gunner First Overall Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: kcmo Casino cash: $10007271	imo Cassel has been handled like glass. It didn't work. I don't want them to start Stanzi at all this season. I'd love to have Andrew Luck but I'd hate to get there.
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09-19-2011, 08:05 PM	#42
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2225651	Did Newton and Dalton have the off season to learn their offenses? Hell, both of those two look far better than what we have right now. I say play him. Play him now.
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09-19-2011, 08:59 PM	#44
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	Stanzi has had just as much time as Newton and Dalton and has every tool a QB needs to be successful. Stanzi could play just as well or better than Dalton, easy. His short memory should ease the mind of those who think "he'll be ruined". That is just ridiculous, if any QB on our roster looked like he was ready to play this season in the preseason, it was Stanzi. I know all the comparisons Stanzi gets are to Brady, mostly b/c of the way he steps up his game in big games, and the fourth quarter. Also, his work ethic and knowledge of defenses. Some of you might be a bit more comfortable with a comparison to Matt Schaub as his ceiling. I think it's a little low compared to where I think it truly is, but more believable.
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