Michael Holley on Fescoe, now

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

That is wrong, wrong wrong.

I called them frauds pretty much the whole year after the Denver debacle. I NEVER backed off from that.

Then I gave Pioli credit for a good draft and FA.

And then they proved they were definitely frauds at the beginning of this year.

Read your sig FFS.

If this team is a superbowl contender with Luck, that says the roster has been significantly upgraded since Herm/CP and 2-14

Do you think things like that would be said about teams like the one Pioli took over?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Read your sig FFS.

If this team is a superbowl contender with Luck, that says the roster has been significantly upgraded since Herm/CP and 2-14

Do you think things like that would be said about teams like the one Pioli took over?

The core of this team is pretty much the same players that were on the roster when Pioli took the reins.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

The core of this team is pretty much the same players that were on the roster when Pioli took the reins.

Yeah, except the coaches Pioli brought in got all of them to play well above the level they were playing at prior to Piolis arrival. If he deserves the credit for the mad moves, then he should also receive the credit for the positive moves he has made with this organization as well.

Its too bad this is the year of the blown ACL/Achilles or Moeaki and Berry would absolutely be entering that group going into their second year...along with Asamoah (who just handled the best DL in football)...while Arenas may not be playing the biggest impact position, he has been solid and is surely part of this defense long term. Dexter McCluster might step into that this year as well, in Charles absence.

Time will tell.

Its still in its infancy, but the 2011 draft looks to have potential to be every bit as good as the 2008 draft, maybe even better.

I think the Pioli hate on this board is reaching silly levels.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Yeah, except the coaches Pioli brought in got all of them to play well above the level they were playing at prior to Piolis arrival. If he deserves the credit for the mad moves, then he should also receive the credit for the positive moves he has made with this organization as well.

Its too bad this is the year of the blown ACL/Achilles or Moeaki and Berry would absolutely be entering that group going into their second year...along with Asamoah (who just handled the best DL in football)...while Arenas may not be playing the biggest impact position, he has been solid and is surely part of this defense long term. Dexter McCluster might step into that this year as well, in Charles absence.

Time will tell.

Its still in its infancy, but the 2011 draft looks to have potential to be every bit as good as the 2008 draft, maybe even better.

I think the Pioli hate on this board is reaching silly levels.

Just pointing out that the roster was not devoid of talent when Pioli took over.

Still hate the 2010 2nd round, but agree about the potential of this draft.

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

Just pointing out that the roster was not devoid of talent when Pioli took over.

Still hate the 2010 2nd round, but agree about the potential of this draft.

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

I agree with you on all points. If it was in your hands, would you leave Pioli in charge? I personally am still willing to trust him as long as he does the right thing with the QB situation.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I agree with you on all points. If it was in your hands, would you leave Pioli in charge. I personally am still willing to trust him as long as he does the right thing with the QB situation.

This.

I'm not happy with a lot of the things he's done but if he replaces Cassel I'm willing to give him a little more time. If he replaces him with Luck, even more time.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

This.

I'm not happy with a lot of the things he's done but if he replaces Cassel I'm willing to give him a little more time. If he replaces him with Luck, even more time.

Exactly. I can over look Cassel, Jackson, ect. as long as he hits on the next QB. It has to be a clear cut hit though.

I like Haley overall too. I think if you give him a QB to stretch the field we have something. He just needs to figure out what the hell is going on with the OC situation. That offseason situation won't happen again so we don't really have to worry about that.

This roster, as bad as it is in some spots, still has a TON of talent. You add a guy like Luck and all of a sudden our Oline, Breaston, Bowe, Moeaki, and Baldwin all get that much better(assuming Luck is who he is supposed to be). A franchise QB makes the GM's job so much easier.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I agree with you on all points. If it was in your hands, would you leave Pioli in charge? I personally am still willing to trust him as long as he does the right thing with the QB situation.

I don't know.

As I've said before, I like the way that Pioli has gone about constructing this roster, although I haven't agreed with about half of his decisions.

I think Bill Polian should have been fired in Indy years ago, but because of Manning, the perception is that he's done a good job, when in reality he has not.

I'm not sure I'm ready to call for Pioli's head yet, but I d believe he still has to make better decisions and still has a lot to prove.

I don't want a situation like Indy's, where the QB hides the GM's other failings.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by milkman

Just pointing out that the roster was not devoid of talent when Pioli took over.

Still hate the 2010 2nd round, but agree about the potential of this draft.

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

The voice of reason and moderation once again. Perhaps there is some sanity here on the planet.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by milkman

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

Totally this.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by milkman

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

Totally negated by that time he called a halfback pass.

[BigRock]

If we're going to dismiss Holley as a Pats ass-kisser who's just regurgitating whatever sunshine Pioli wants him to shine up peoples' butts, we also have to dismiss the stories about tension between Pioli and Haley being such that Pioli is giving these off-the-record Haley bashfests to his media cronies. Which at least one story claims dates back to last season.

Because if that was true, obviously a kool-aid drinking Pats worshipper like Holley, who has been tight with Pioli for the last decade, would have gotten the memo. Pioli and Weis (and Romeo) would be the brains behind the outfit, and that no-connection-to-the-Pats douchebag golf pro would be the turd in the punch bowl.

But it's clear from this interview that Holley is a fan of Haley, even questioning Fescoe's comment that he'd have preferred keeping Weis. That certainly doesn't jive with the idea of Pioli working the media against him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRock

If we're going to dismiss Holley as a Pats ass-kisser who's just regurgitating whatever sunshine Pioli wants him to shine up peoples' butts, we also have to dismiss the stories about tension between Pioli and Haley being such that Pioli is giving these off-the-record Haley bashfests to his media cronies. Which at least one story claims dates back to last season.

Because if that was true, obviously a kool-aid drinking Pats worshipper like Holley, who has been tight with Pioli for the last decade, would have gotten the memo. Pioli and Weis (and Romeo) would be the brains behind the outfit, and that no-connection-to-the-Pats douchebag golf pro would be the turd in the punch bowl.

But it's clear from this interview that Holley is a fan of Haley, even questioning Fescoe's comment that he'd have preferred keeping Weis. That certainly doesn't jive with the idea of Pioli working the media against him.

If your primary mission is to quash rumors of dissent, simply tell someone that there is no dissent.

Regardless, whether or not the two guys like each other is ultimately immaterial. The fact of the matter is that both are performing their jobs horribly, and that's what they should be judged on.

[BossChief]

cmon man...

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I ****ING LOVE YOU SCOTT PIOLI!!!!!!!!1