Chiefs Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do - Page 4

Direckshun · 12-05-2011, 01:41 AM

There's about four more week of football ahead of us.

We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason...

This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag.

The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25.

But what would you do if:

Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is.

He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe.

So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big:

"I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed.

Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.)

You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else.

Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year.

That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks.

Poll forthcoming.

BoneKrusher · 12-05-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

I remember carter and hasty, \i think these 2 have that same if not better level
keep em

yep.

resign him.

Extra Point · 12-05-2011, 09:21 AM

Choice A, and let Carr and Flowers switch on the Plaza Lights, with Haley connecting the neutral leg

**HemiEd** · 12-05-2011, 09:22 AM

Pay the man.

Huffman83 · 12-05-2011, 09:29 AM

As much as I like to see the guy stay in KC. KC has already drafted CB's in earlyish rounds Arenas (2nd) and Brown (4th.)

KC would probablylike to have him back, but he'll take the money in an open market.

mcaj22 · 12-05-2011, 09:42 AM

i'm going to be bummed if this guy walks.

his progression has been fun to watch especially in some of these years with awful play from other positions such as QB, so when you end up watching games you need something to cheer for, and watching a guy like Carr become the player he is today has been one of the few bright spots of the Chiefs over the last 3-4 seasons.

I will be a fan of his wherever he goes, if in fact the team keeps drafting these mid-round CBs and let him walk (The Pats tree MO- RE: Asante Samuel and a bunch of other defensive backs over the years).

In any case, he ran stride for stride with Johnny Knox, one of the fastest WRs in the game Sunday and outsized him, out jumped him and outclassed him on that interception. Granted that pass was awful and under thrown, he still made a great play on the ball and is one of the reasons I wish we would re-sign him, and pay the man, because we DO HAVE THE CAP SPACE to do it. But of course, with this FO, anything can happen. I'm prepared for the best and worst.

ChiefFripp · 12-05-2011, 09:45 AM

With Baldwin and Breaston, it's tempting to see who/what we could get for Bowe. Sure I'm in the minority with that opinion.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-05-2011, 09:47 AM

Yeah...this isn't cut and dry. I'd rather have Carr, of course. But not for a crazy contract. Arenas and Daniels have been good enough that I'm not super concerned if Carr walks. Our safety depth is more important than CB depth for our style of defense.

My only unknown is Jalil Brown--haven't seen him enough. If I could guarantee Brown to develop, I would spend my money elsewhere.

**Old Dog** · 12-05-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25.

I don't think there are 15 better than Carr right now, let alone 25.

bricks · 12-05-2011, 09:55 AM

Pay him.

The guy is a top 15 CB in the league.

You keep him for mainly for that reason.

Flowers and Carr is a strong CB duo. You just don't break up whats already working. The chemistry is there. Its set. Keep that in place. Plus, do you really want to see the Chiefs have to go through that whole process of finding another CB to replace him?

*If you find good players, you keep them. Re-sign him and build on top of what you have. You let him go, and the rebuilding process becomes that much more difficult.

**Rausch** · 12-05-2011, 09:58 AM

Sign him.

We have the $$$.

You lock up Bowe and Carr.

We have the cap space if a year or two later we decide to (be stupid) trade them...

-King- · 12-05-2011, 10:02 AM

Why do you care how much money they're getting?

They're a damn good duo and better than most of the duos you listed earlier In this thread.
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DJ's left nut · 12-05-2011, 10:05 AM

I said it when we signed Flowers; we should've targeted Carr first (I wanted him done last offseason but I guess Pioli was busy chasing all those premier FA targets). He would have been the cheaper signing and a guy that could've 'set' the baseline for Flowers.

Pioli screwed the pooch by overpaying a little on Flowers. It will come back to bite us twice as we try to get through these Carr negotiations. My guess is we'll end up losing him because we didn't get him locked up prior to giving Flowers a premier contract.

warrior · 12-05-2011, 10:05 AM

pay the man he's earned it.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-05-2011, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

Why do you care how much money they're getting?

They're a damn good duo and better than most of the duos you listed earlier In this thread.
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I don't think most people care what he's paid. I think most only care about how our maximum cap money is distributed amongst the most important positions. If Carr hurts our chance to upgrade a more important position, I'm against re-signing him.

-King- · 12-05-2011, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I said it when we signed Flowers; we should've targeted Carr first (I wanted him done last offseason but I guess Pioli was busy chasing all those premier FA targets). He would have been the cheaper signing and a guy that could've 'set' the baseline for Flowers.

Pioli screwed the pooch by overpaying a little on Flowers. It will come back to bite us twice as we try to get through these Carr negotiations. My guess is we'll end up losing him because we didn't get him locked up prior to giving Flowers a premier contract.

Why would you want to set the baseline?

I'd rather sign Flowers first and set the ceiling than sign Carr first and set the baseline.
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12-05-2011, 01:41 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2093447	Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do There's about four more week of football ahead of us. We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason... This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag. The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25. But what would you do if: Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is. He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe. So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big: "I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed. Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.) You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else. Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year. That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks. Poll forthcoming.
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Huffman83 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $10008077	As much as I like to see the guy stay in KC. KC has already drafted CB's in earlyish rounds Arenas (2nd) and Brown (4th.) KC would probablylike to have him back, but he'll take the money in an open market.
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12-05-2011, 09:42 AM	#50
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	i'm going to be bummed if this guy walks. his progression has been fun to watch especially in some of these years with awful play from other positions such as QB, so when you end up watching games you need something to cheer for, and watching a guy like Carr become the player he is today has been one of the few bright spots of the Chiefs over the last 3-4 seasons. I will be a fan of his wherever he goes, if in fact the team keeps drafting these mid-round CBs and let him walk (The Pats tree MO- RE: Asante Samuel and a bunch of other defensive backs over the years). In any case, he ran stride for stride with Johnny Knox, one of the fastest WRs in the game Sunday and outsized him, out jumped him and outclassed him on that interception. Granted that pass was awful and under thrown, he still made a great play on the ball and is one of the reasons I wish we would re-sign him, and pay the man, because we DO HAVE THE CAP SPACE to do it. But of course, with this FO, anything can happen. I'm prepared for the best and worst.
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12-05-2011, 09:45 AM	#51
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12-05-2011, 09:55 AM	#54
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9732559	Pay him. The guy is a top 15 CB in the league. You keep him for mainly for that reason. Flowers and Carr is a strong CB duo. You just don't break up whats already working. The chemistry is there. Its set. Keep that in place. Plus, do you really want to see the Chiefs have to go through that whole process of finding another CB to replace him? *If you find good players, you keep them. Re-sign him and build on top of what you have. You let him go, and the rebuilding process becomes that much more difficult.
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