Pearl Harbor Day

[cabletech94]

Didn't feel like saying "happy" in the title. But i do believe that this day in history had a major affect on our lives.


Both my grandpa's served in wwII, so i guess i'm a little partial to those who serve.
Good day.

[cabletech94]

Originally Posted by tooge

I thought it was in september. George Bush told me.

man i still remember that speech. i was in high school and was watching the nightly news when they showed the replay of that speech.
i think it was the first time in history that someone (me) muttered the words WTF?
true story.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Not cool. The Japanese have been our allies for decades. The survivors of Pearl Harbor have gotten together with the Japanese survivors from that day several times in the past. If they can forgive so can you.

No American that survived the Baton death march ever forgave the Japs.
My dad went to his grave hating Japs & Japan.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

No American that survived the Baton death march ever forgave the Japs.
My dad went to his grave hating Japs & Japan.

The war ended 65 years ago. Holding hate in your heart for a country full of people that weren't even alive then is ridiculous and only hurts you.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

No American that survived the Baton death march ever forgave the Japs.
My dad went to his grave hating Japs & Japan.

Of course they didn't. I doubt I would either.

But that's 70 years ago. Every Japanese officer responsible for it is dead. Every Japanese politician responsible for it is dead. The Japanese Emperor of the time is dead. Every Japanese soldier remotely involved, if they're not already dead, is now more focused on regular movements of their bowels than movements of troops.

And you weren't on the Bataan Death March. Hell, you can't even spell it.

So like I said, get over it.

[LiveSteam]

I dont hate Japan.
My point was. Not all American Vets of the Pacific campaign forgave. Thats all I was trying to say.
I should have just kept my big mouth shut.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I dont hate Japan.
My point was. Not all American Vets of the Pacific campaign forgave. Thats all I was trying to say.
I should have just kept my big mouth shut.

No problem. That veterans who fought them didn't is perfectly understandable and human. Many older Chinese don't either -- Japan absolutely committed heinous atrocities. Those who lived through them have a very different perspective on these things.

[mlyonsd]

History buffs, FYI....new show on the History Channel tonight at 7pm CT on Pearl Harbor.

Pearl Harbor: 24 Hours After
NEW

A documentary reveals secrets and little-known details of FDR's reactions in the earliest hours after the Japanese attacks on Oahu.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

History buffs, FYI....new show on the History Channel tonight at 7pm CT on Pearl Harbor.

Pearl Harbor: 24 Hours After
NEW

A documentary reveals secrets and little-known details of FDR's reactions in the earliest hours after the Japanese attacks on Oahu.

Thats going to be a good show.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

History buffs, FYI....new show on the History Channel tonight at 7pm CT on Pearl Harbor.

Pearl Harbor: 24 Hours After
NEW

A documentary reveals secrets and little-known details of FDR's reactions in the earliest hours after the Japanese attacks on Oahu.

Chances Doris Kearns Goodwin will make an appearance?

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Literature

Chances Doris Kearns Goodwin will make an appearance?

Doesn't sound like it:

Pearl Harbor: 24 Hours After This two-hour special offers an in-depth look at the critical 24-hour period after news of Japan's attack on U.S. soil in 1941 reached the President. Drawing on exhaustive research and new information provided by the FDR Library, the special gives a rare and surprising glimpse at the man behind the Presidency and how he confronted the enormous challenge of transitioning the nation from peace to war. There was no direct phone line between Pearl Harbor and the White House. As information slowly trickled in and word of the bombing got out, panic gripped the White House. FDR's unique style of leadership enabled him to galvanize the American people in the wake of a grave and potentially demoralizing attack. The special features acclaimed historian Steven M. Gillon, author of the recently released Pearl Harbor: FDR Leads the Nation Into War.

[beach tribe]

I was watching CNN the other day, and the runner at the bottom said:
"cut backs looming: U.S to have smallest Navy since 1915, and smallest AF in US history"

I was like...are you ****ing kidding me?

[beach tribe]

[Cheater5]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Not cool. The Japanese have been our allies for decades. The survivors of Pearl Harbor have gotten together with the Japanese survivors from that day several times in the past. If they can forgive so can you.

The Japanese sailors that carried out the attack can be forgiven. I agree.

They are our allies because we conquered them-they've had no choice since September of 1945. The type of enemy they presented themselves to be dictated our actions following VJ Day. But my suspicions will always remain concerning Japan--

In 1987, Tocibai Machine, a subsidiary of Toshiba, was accused of illegally selling CNC milling machines used to produce very quiet submarine propellers to the Soviet Union in violation of the CoCom agreement, an international embargo on certain countries to COMECON countries.The incident strained relations between the United States and Japan, and resulted in the arrest and prosecution of two senior executives, as well as the imposition of sanctions on the company by both countries. The US had always relied on the fact that the Soviets had noisy boats, so technology that would make the USSR's submarines harder to detect created a significant threat to America's security. Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania said "What Toshiba and Kongsberg did was ransom the security of the United States for $517 million."

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Doesn't sound like it:

Strange. I always see her around, and she wrote a book exactly about the Roosevelts during WWII, including the reaction to Pearl Harbor.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I was watching CNN the other day, and the runner at the bottom said:
"cut backs looming: U.S to have smallest Navy since 1915, and smallest AF in US history"

I was like...are you ****ing kidding me?

Our air force is going to be smaller than it was in 1893.