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Old 12-06-2011, 11:55 AM  
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Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols
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Confirmed: #Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols. Source says two sides trying to work through no-trade issue. MORE #MLB
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:21 PM   #226
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Because his agent insisted on it, not because the Red Sox did.

Look at Adrian Gonzalez - minor backload.
Crawford - fairly significant backload
Beckett - Backloaded in his original deal, static in his new one
Youkilis - backloaded
Pedroia - heavily backloaded
Lester - heavily backloaded

Yeah - looks like Epstein makes it a habit of backloading those deals because they make a lot of economic sense...

Oh wait, John Lackey was a free agent with several suitors and his agent insisted on more money up front for a slightly lower AAV.

Stupid !@#$ing facts. Why do they have go to making your argument look stupid all the time...
Alex Rodriguez.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:23 PM   #227
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Who refused to increase their offer after the best player in baseball said no?
So not only is front-loading contracts intelligent, but so is bidding against yourself.

Christ - you'll revolutionize contract negotiations. The Steinbrenner clan needs to get you on the phone yesterday.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:25 PM   #228
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So not only is front-loading contracts intelligent, but so is bidding against yourself.

Christ - you'll revolutionize contract negotiations. The Steinbrenner clan needs to get you on the phone yesterday.
Letting the best player in baseball even sniff free agency is a much better idea...
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:26 PM   #229
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He picked the loosest purse-strings in the league to set the market price, now he'll find the team he really wants to play for?
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:26 PM   #230
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Alex Rodriguez.
Sabathia, Texiera, Burnett, Jeter, Cano, Soriano, Swisher...

Do we have to keep playing this game? Y'know, the one where an agent has a significant amount of negotiation leverage and convinces a team to structure a contract that's favorable to his client rather than a contract that comports with virtually every single other contract on the roster?

You're actually proving my argument for me pretty nicely here.
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Letting the best player in baseball even sniff free agency is a much better idea...
Maybe winning the WS increased their revenue projections and made it more feasible to bring Pujols back? The fact is, players wait to get to the open market unless they are bludgeoned with a ridiculously good deal.
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Letting the best player in baseball even sniff free agency is a much better idea...
It absolutely was.

By all accounts, Lozano was requiring 10 years and $275 million to re-sign without testing the market.

Yeah, the Cardinals really ****ed up by not giving that to him.

You are really really bad at this.
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Sabathia, Texiera, Burnett, Jeter, Cano, Soriano, Swisher...

Do we have to keep playing this game? Y'know, the one where an agent has a significant amount of negotiation leverage and convinces a team to structure a contract that's favorable to his client rather than a contract that comports with virtually every single other contract on the roster?

You're actually proving my argument for me pretty nicely here.
You just said no one is signing people to front loaded contracts and I bring up the one player you can even compare to the situation Pujols is in right now and you completely ignore it.

Thanks for playing.
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It absolutely was.

By all accounts, Lozano was requiring 10 years and $275 million to re-sign without testing the market.

Yeah, the Cardinals really ****ed up by not giving that to him.

You are really really bad at this.
Keep acting like the Cardinals are a better team without Pujols.
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Maybe winning the WS increased their revenue projections and made it more feasible to bring Pujols back? The fact is, players wait to get to the open market unless they are bludgeoned with a ridiculously good deal.
You mean like 10 years, $275 million?!?!?!

Stupid ass Cardinals - I don't know why they didn't just bend over backwards to give Albert whatever he wanted.
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Keep acting like the Cardinals are a better team without Pujols.
Maybe not today, but four years from now I'd be willing to bet they would be better off.
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Maybe not today, but four years from now I'd be willing to bet they would be better off.
If they had an extra $30 million a year to spend, they certainly could be.
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You just said no one is signing people to front loaded contracts and I bring up the one player you can even compare to the situation Pujols is in right now and you completely ignore it.

Thanks for playing.
I'm not ignoring it at all, in fact I directly addressed it.

Those contracts were as a result of the player having leverage over the team and the team refusing to call the player's bluff. In exchange for a reduced AAV, the team front-loaded the deal.

This isn't hard to understand. You only frontload the deal if you're paying a significantly reduced overall $$ figure. Now if the Marlins were offering 10 years and $250 but he Cardinals only want to go 10 years/$210, then they'd have to front-load the contract to increase it's real-time value.

But again, that's manipulating the overall value of the contract to deal with market pressures.

It has nothing to do with what you're discussing.

But keep on covering yourself with glory here, chief. You're doing a bangup job of making yourself look like an idiot.
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Keep acting like the Cardinals are a better team without Pujols.
The Cardinals are a better team without Albert Pujols at that contract, yes.

And ultimately it looks like they're going to get him for a hell of a lot less than that. So yeah, they're a better team for calling Lozano's bluff.
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Keep acting like the Cardinals are a better team without Pujols.
Short term they'd be okay.

It would hinge on Adams development at 1B in the long run.
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