Chiefs How much would you give for Barkley or Griffin? - Page 8

Buckweath · 12-07-2011, 04:57 PM

I know there has been a lot of talk about those two Qb prospects but I thought it might be a good idea to make a poll to know just how much Chiefs fans really want to draft a top QB prospect in 2012.

I am one of those who believe this team is more or less an above-average QB away from being possibly a contender every year.

Let's say the Chiefs have around the 10th pick in the upcoming draft and need to trade up 5 spots to pick before both the Redskins and the Dolphins who will likely draft the best QB available at their spot.

How much would you be willing to offer to make sure you have the chance to draft either Griffin III or Barkley?

BTW, I am not talking about Luck here because I personnally don't think there is any chance the Colts will trade the pick.

milkman · 12-07-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

You would have to be EXTREMELY ignorant to take my comment as any form of racism. You did a nice job of highlighting my point above. If your going to throw out stats all dau about 1st round QBs and their ability to win SB's then you have to look at the statistics behind what I said in my initial post.
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I didn't take it as racist.

I simply took it as extremely stupid.

milkman · 12-07-2011, 09:43 PM

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Great reply. Ignorance is bliss.
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Tell me I'm wrong you useless dumbass.

Is it or is it not true that balck QBs were rare not all that long ago?

**Kyle DeLexus** · 12-07-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

You would have to be EXTREMELY ignorant to take my comment as any form of racism. You did a nice job of highlighting my point above. If your going to throw out stats all dau about 1st round QBs and their ability to win SB's then you have to look at the statistics behind what I said in my initial post.
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There are far fewer black QB's than white QB's in the NFL, so yes statistically far fewer black QB's will win SB's.

TRR · 12-07-2011, 09:46 PM

LOL! Do you know how many black QBs have been in the league in the last 15-20 years and how many have won the SB?
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philfree · 12-07-2011, 09:47 PM

On the original subject.

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To acquire Sanchez, the Jets traded their first- and second-round choices (17 and 52), plus three marginal players - defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and safety Abram Elam

Something close to that. A our 1st and our 3rd.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 12-07-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

On the original subject.

Something close to that. A our 1st and our 3rd.

Yeah that won't happen. That was an absolutely horrible trade and Mangini obviously overrated his old scrubs.

milkman · 12-07-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

LOL! Do you know how many black QBs have been in the league in the last 15-20 years and how many have won the SB?
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From 1990, 60 total have been drafted.

Of those 60, 16 have been converted to another position.

Edit:Made a mistake.

In the history of the draft from 1936 to the present, only 13 black QBs have been drafted in the first round.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-07-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

From 1990, 60 total have been drafted.

Of those 60, 16 have been converted to another position.

Edit:Made a mistake.

In the history of the draft from 1936 to the present, only 13 black QBs have been drafted in the first round.

Historically, if a QB is black, they must be drafted in the first round and then play in the USFL. Well, actually, they have to be drafted and play for one NFL team, then get a lowball contract offer. Then, they have to move on to the USFL, then come back and play for another team, as a backup.

That, statistically, is the only way a black QB wins a Super Bowl.

milkman · 12-07-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Historically, if a QB is black, they must be drafted in the first round and then play in the USFL. Well, actually, they have to be drafted and play for one NFL team, then get a lowball contract offer. Then, they have to move on to the USFL, then come back and play for another team, as a backup.

That, statistically, is the only way a black QB wins a Super Bowl.

Racism played a large role in the black QB's role in the NFL.

In all, 96 black QBs have been drafted since 1939, with 33 converting to different positions.

-King- · 12-07-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Historically, if a QB is black, they must be drafted in the first round and then play in the USFL. Well, actually, they have to be drafted and play for one NFL team, then get a lowball contract offer. Then, they have to move on to the USFL, then come back and play for another team, as a backup.

That, statistically, is the only way a black QB wins a Super Bowl.

This is the stupidest method to prove a point I've ever seen.
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prhom · 12-07-2011, 11:21 PM

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LOL! Do you know how many black QBs have been in the league in the last 15-20 years and how many have won the SB?
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Black qbs have won more super bowls than USC qbs.

RUSH · 12-08-2011, 10:21 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...82485/33752962

Barkley and kalil have both said they will make the decision together and now that kalil is returning to school, I assume barkley will return as well. If he's true to his word of course.

RG3 or bust.

Chiefnj2 · 12-08-2011, 10:27 AM

If Kalil does in fact return to school, I would assume it might make it easier to trade up into the top 5. By all accounts Kalil was the top rated OT. Teams sitting in the top 5 (like the Rams) probably wouldn't want to run the risk of missing him. Now that he might not declare, there is less room separating the remaining OTs.

Nightfyre · 12-08-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Kalil does in fact return to school, I would assume it might make it easier to trade up into the top 5. By all accounts Kalil was the top rated OT. Teams sitting in the top 5 (like the Rams) probably wouldn't want to run the risk of missing him. Now that he might not declare, there is less room separating the remaining OTs.

Removing Barkley makes RG3 that much more valuable. He almost assuredly will go #2 now, imo.

L.A. Chieffan · 12-08-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Removing Barkley makes RG3 that much more valuable. He almost assuredly will go #2 now, imo.

i dont think minny or shit louis would draft him if they end up 2-3. jax or definitely wash tho, so by 5 he should be gone

View Poll Results: How much would you offer to trade up 5 spots to get Griffin III or Barkley?
1st and 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013	4	7.02%
1st and 2nd round picks in 2012 and 1st in 2013	4	7.02%
1st round picks in 2012 and 2013	12	21.05%
1st, 2nd, 3rd (and 4th) in 2012	4	7.02%
1st and 2nd in 2012	23	40.35%
Take the best QB available at our spot (no Barkley and Griffin)	4	7.02%
Take BPA (QB, NT, RT, RB, LT, ILB)	5	8.77%
Trade for Tebow!!!	1	1.75%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

12-07-2011, 04:57 PM
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	How much would you give for Barkley or Griffin? I know there has been a lot of talk about those two Qb prospects but I thought it might be a good idea to make a poll to know just how much Chiefs fans really want to draft a top QB prospect in 2012. I am one of those who believe this team is more or less an above-average QB away from being possibly a contender every year. Let's say the Chiefs have around the 10th pick in the upcoming draft and need to trade up 5 spots to pick before both the Redskins and the Dolphins who will likely draft the best QB available at their spot. How much would you be willing to offer to make sure you have the chance to draft either Griffin III or Barkley? BTW, I am not talking about Luck here because I personnally don't think there is any chance the Colts will trade the pick.
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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9440185	LOL! Do you know how many black QBs have been in the league in the last 15-20 years and how many have won the SB? Posted via Mobile Device
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12-08-2011, 10:21 AM	#117
RUSH Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NY Casino cash: $10004905	http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...82485/33752962 Barkley and kalil have both said they will make the decision together and now that kalil is returning to school, I assume barkley will return as well. If he's true to his word of course. RG3 or bust.
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12-08-2011, 10:27 AM	#118
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	If Kalil does in fact return to school, I would assume it might make it easier to trade up into the top 5. By all accounts Kalil was the top rated OT. Teams sitting in the top 5 (like the Rams) probably wouldn't want to run the risk of missing him. Now that he might not declare, there is less room separating the remaining OTs. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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