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**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

The Iron Chief · 12-11-2011, 02:40 PM

This poll needs a fresh start after this game.
I believe enough is enough now its over Haley I pulled for ya thru all the injuries bad decisions but its official youve lost the team now.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-11-2011, 02:40 PM

Milkman is right that it is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic unless the Hunts sell the team.

It's becoming harder and harder to become a fan of this team, not because of the results on the field, but due to the obvious apathy of the ownership.

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The only real positive you lay claim to for Haley is motivation.

Yeah the Chiefs looked supremely motivated getting destroyed yet again.

What a dumbshit comment, but considering the source of this post to be expected.

Please explain how the Chiefs looked "motivated" today.

Back-up your asinine statement you pathetic dumbshit piece of trash.

splatbass · 12-11-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No one cares about your opinion, bitch.

After she became a Raiders fan when Gannon moved to the Raiders she should not ever be allowed to be a Chiefs fan again.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Yeah the Chiefs looked supremely motivated getting destroyed yet again.

What a dumbshit comment, but considering the source of this post to be expected.

Please explain how the Chiefs looked "motivated" today.

Back-up your asinine statement you pathetic dumbshit piece of trash.

Because you're talking about one game and a game where the motivation was likely lost only as a result of New York getting up to a huge lead.

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because you're talking about one game and a game where the motivation was likely lost only as a result of New York getting up to a huge lead.

Have you been watching the Chiefs this season?

Buffalo game? Detroit game? Miami game? New England game?

Blowouts.

This isn't a one game thing.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 02:46 PM

For the record, you know why the Chiefs get blown out so often? Because: 1) we have NEVER had a QB capable of clawing a team from behind; 2) because in most cases, we are so outmatched in talent that the only way to win games is through winning by putting twice the effort into the game as the opponent.

When you have to win by motivation, and not because of talent, that's a great recipe for disaster.

memyselfI · 12-11-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Could not be any worse? Give me a ****ing break.
Unstable and difficult to work with? That's probably why Breaston followed him here and Flowers, Charles, and DJ signed long-term extension at the price of peanuts to stay here.
On the OC front, again, I still do not believe for a second that Haley had any real choice in those hires. I think Hunt/Pioli were going to hire them regardless of whether Haley wanted them.

I would like to see a squad where the front office actually spends on players, instead of asking the head coach to make gems out of 5th round picks. I'd like to see the front office make a firm commitment to get the right QB instead of arrogantly backing the starter without competition. I'd like to see the front office not try to Patriotize every ****ing thing about this team.

I think Haley's a perfectly sane coach. Most of what is wrong with KC has Pioli's paw print all over it.

So Failey's a victim here? All of these things must have had to fall in line for him to be a massive failure vs. the massive success he's destined to be? People with winning records and proven successes had to just roll over on him. They had to no longer care about their reputations or their futures. It was all about ruining Haley.

Right.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

So Failey's a victim here? All of these things must have had to fall in line for him to be a massive failure vs. the massive success he's destined to be? People with winning records and proven successes had to just roll over on him. They had to no longer care about their reputations or their futures. It was all about ruining Haley.

Right.

Not even worth a response.

FringeNC · 12-11-2011, 02:51 PM

Ultimately, Haley has to be responsible for the offensive ineptitude. Other teams have injuries, and play backup quarterbacks, and usually lose, but don't embarrass themselves on offense.

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2011, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

So Failey's a victim here? All of these things must have had to fall in line for him to be a massive failure vs. the massive success he's destined to be? People with winning records and proven successes had to just roll over on him. They had to no longer care about their reputations or their futures. It was all about ruining Haley.

Right.

Bill Muir? Haley's decision
Palko in KC? Haley's decision
A club med "conditioning program" during the preseason/training camp? Haley's decision

Those are three reasons right there Haley should be fired.

milkman · 12-11-2011, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Yeah the Chiefs looked supremely motivated getting destroyed yet again.

What a dumbshit comment, but considering the source of this post to be expected.

Please explain how the Chiefs looked "motivated" today.

Back-up your asinine statement you pathetic dumbshit piece of trash.

I'm fairly certain that anyone with a single working brain cell understands what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry you don't have one of those.

**notorious** · 12-11-2011, 02:53 PM

Record setting offensive ineptitude.

For this reason alone Haley should be shitcanned.

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm fairly certain that anyone with a single working brain cell understands what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry you don't have one of those.

WRONG answer BITCH

You have no answer.

You throw out a dumbshit cliche statement about Haley having the team motivated and then can't back it up.

Please explain how after the fifth blowout loss of the season, the Chiefs still look "motivated" under Haley?

Explain yourself you DUMBSHIT whore.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-11-2011, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Bill Muir? Haley's decision
Palko in KC? Haley's decision
A club med "conditioning program" during the preseason/training camp? Haley's decision

Those are three reasons right there Haley should be fired.

Palko in KC was Haley's decision. The front office's decision to not even TRY to bring in an able backup or draft pick to groom is 100% on the front office. Again, right now, we are crucifying Haley essentially for a decision to start Palko over Croyle and a 5th round draft pick, and that bare cupboard is because of Pioli.

"Club med" conditioning program. Big mistake. But not a fireable offense.

Bill Muir? I'm not a fan at all of this guy, but I'm still not convinced that this is Haley's fault at all. I think Haley developed an unfair reputation as a head coach who is impossible to work with, when in fact, I think the bigger problem was a front office that forced coordinators onto the head coach with absolutely no regard whatsoever to whether the coach wanted them in the first place.

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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
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12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1615912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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12-11-2011, 02:40 PM	#586
The Iron Chief Veteran Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Binghamton NY Casino cash: $-1774331	This poll needs a fresh start after this game. I believe enough is enough now its over Haley I pulled for ya thru all the injuries bad decisions but its official youve lost the team now.
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12-11-2011, 02:40 PM	#587
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Milkman is right that it is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic unless the Hunts sell the team. It's becoming harder and harder to become a fan of this team, not because of the results on the field, but due to the obvious apathy of the ownership. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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12-11-2011, 02:46 PM	#592
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1605503	For the record, you know why the Chiefs get blown out so often? Because: 1) we have NEVER had a QB capable of clawing a team from behind; 2) because in most cases, we are so outmatched in talent that the only way to win games is through winning by putting twice the effort into the game as the opponent. When you have to win by motivation, and not because of talent, that's a great recipe for disaster.
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12-11-2011, 02:51 PM	#595
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1643986	Ultimately, Haley has to be responsible for the offensive ineptitude. Other teams have injuries, and play backup quarterbacks, and usually lose, but don't embarrass themselves on offense.
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12-11-2011, 02:53 PM	#598
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-814116	Record setting offensive ineptitude. For this reason alone Haley should be shitcanned.
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