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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built. 142 61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please. 79 34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks. 11 4.74%
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM  
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Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:13 PM   #841
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How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?
Yep.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:14 PM   #842
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How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?
Yep. Cassel and the O was awful the 1st 2 weeks of last season, also.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:15 PM   #843
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How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?
What has the offense looked like without Weis?
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:16 PM   #844
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Tyler Palko is a "veteran backup".

Nothing more needs to be said.
Very much so, but...

In the last 2 3/4 games, since the 3 TO's in 3 plays by Palko, he is 46-84 for 468 yards with 2 TD's and 2 INT's. The 468 yards in 2 3/4 games comes out to right at 170 yards a game. Those 3 games are against the Steelers, Bears, and Jets defenses.

In 9 starts, Cassel was 160-269 for 1713 yards with 10 TD's and 9 INT's. The yardage per game comes out pretty much right at 190 yards a game against defenses that are probably not quite as good as the last 3 Palko has went up against.

That says Cassel is pretty much backup material as well. Both need to go as soon as the final gun goes off on January 1st.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:17 PM   #845
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What has the offense looked like without Weis?
If you factor in the harder schedule, the loss of Charles, but don't factor in Tyler Palko's universal suckage, it's almost exactly the SAME.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:17 PM   #846
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What has the offense looked like without Weis?
The offense looked like it was starting to click in week 2 against Detroit until Charles got injured.

What would Weis' offense look like without Charles? Without Charles AND with either Stanzi or Palko as your starter?
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:19 PM   #847
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What has the offense looked like without Weis?
What has the offense looked like without Charles?
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:19 PM   #848
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How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?
The Chiefs' offense played well against Baltimore.
Matt Cassel played atrocious.

Which again brings us back to the original problem. That this is a problem of the QB not executing the plays on the field.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:21 PM   #849
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People conveniently forget about the O before Charles went down against Det.
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What has the offense looked like without Weis?
shitty. In fact I bet Weis could make Palko look like a half way decent QB
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shitty. In fact I bet Weis could make Palko look like a half way decent QB
This is the level we've stooped to.
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shitty. In fact I bet Weis could make Palko look like a half way decent QB
He did such a fantastic job with QBs with more natural physical ability against lesser competition at Florida.
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He did such a fantastic job with QBs with more natural physical ability against lesser competition at Florida.
Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?
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Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?
No. We're saying that a QB is often so bad that no coach is going to fix him.

Cassel = Exhibit A
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Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?
I don't think he knows how to coach a QB.

I think he knows how to design an offense based around his QB's strengths and avoiding their weakness.

Something Haley and Muir dont have a ****ing clue about.
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