Conversation between me and Clayton 11/05/07

[Hootie]

Regarding Eli Manning:

Hootie2485 (1:59:29 AM): he will break every record Favre is setting other than the INT record
Hootie2485 (1:59:32 AM): that one is Favre's to keep
Hootie2485 (1:59:36 AM): you know who is impressing me this year
Hootie2485 (1:59:38 AM): Eli
bfett81 (1:59:42 AM): god no
bfett81 (1:59:43 AM): he sucks
Hootie2485 (1:59:45 AM): no way
Hootie2485 (1:59:47 AM): watch him
bfett81 (1:59:49 AM): he has like 9 picks
Hootie2485 (1:59:50 AM): he's getting there
bfett81 (1:59:52 AM): lame
Hootie2485 (1:59:55 AM): he really is
Hootie2485 (2:00:03 AM): he has a great arm, great pocket awareness, toughness
bfett81 (2:00:03 AM): piece of shit
Hootie2485 (2:00:07 AM): dude separates his shoulder
Hootie2485 (2:00:09 AM): plays the next week
bfett81 (2:00:09 AM): his weapons are playing well, that's it
Hootie2485 (2:00:13 AM): disagree
Hootie2485 (2:00:16 AM): watch a Giants game
Hootie2485 (2:00:18 AM): Eli is getting it done
Hootie2485 (2:00:22 AM): he makes good reads, too
Hootie2485 (2:00:27 AM): he will be a top 5 QB in no time...
Hootie2485 (2:00:28 AM): dude
bfett81 (2:00:29 AM): lol
Hootie2485 (2:00:32 AM): I thought Peyton was super overrated
Hootie2485 (2:00:33 AM): until 2003
Hootie2485 (2:00:38 AM): when I saw his greatness against the Chiefs
bfett81 (2:00:44 AM): eli manning - 58.2 %, 6.4 YPA, 13 TD, 9 INT
Hootie2485 (2:00:45 AM): Eli will never be Peyton
bfett81 (2:00:52 AM): with PLAXICO BURRESS, SHOCKEY AND TOOMER?
Hootie2485 (2:00:57 AM): Eli isn't going to be Peyton, but he is better than Rivers
Hootie2485 (2:00:59 AM): dude
bfett81 (2:01:02 AM): HUARD is beating eli in every category but TDs
Hootie2485 (2:01:04 AM): Shockey is overrated times 10
Hootie2485 (2:01:10 AM): Plaxico is a stud
Hootie2485 (2:01:13 AM): but Toomer is so-so
Hootie2485 (2:01:23 AM): just watch Eli a little...like Huard, sometimes the stats don't tell the story
bfett81 (2:01:28 AM): it's still a shitload of weapons, and jacobs and the OL are playing well
Hootie2485 (2:01:37 AM): Jacobs wasn't back until a few weeks ago
bfett81 (2:01:42 AM): 23rd ranked passing offense
bfett81 (2:01:46 AM): sorry, too many numbers against eli
Hootie2485 (2:01:46 AM): and Eli had to play that dumb stat killing game in London
Hootie2485 (2:01:53 AM): Just watch him play
Hootie2485 (2:01:58 AM): I'm not making this shit up
Hootie2485 (2:02:02 AM): Eli is going to be a really good QB
bfett81 (2:02:03 AM): he's crap
bfett81 (2:02:10 AM): you take away plaxico and he would look like a total bust
Hootie2485 (2:02:12 AM): I would give my left nut for Eli to be on the Chiefs
bfett81 (2:02:20 AM): half his TDs are just thrown up for grabs
Hootie2485 (2:02:24 AM): no way
Hootie2485 (2:02:29 AM): watch Plax's TDs
Hootie2485 (2:02:32 AM): he doesn't Moss them
bfett81 (2:02:36 AM): sure he does
Hootie2485 (2:02:39 AM): He had one where he ran most of the way which was awesome
bfett81 (2:02:41 AM): they tried one against miami
Hootie2485 (2:02:41 AM): no he doesn't
bfett81 (2:02:43 AM): just didn't catch it
Hootie2485 (2:02:47 AM): I'm sure they try it
Hootie2485 (2:02:54 AM): but I've seen him score the majority of his TD's this year
Hootie2485 (2:03:05 AM): and twice Plax did all the work with great catches
bfett81 (2:03:05 AM): find me one stat that says eli is worth a shit
bfett81 (2:03:10 AM): i bet his third down % sucks too
Hootie2485 (2:03:13 AM): dude
Hootie2485 (2:03:16 AM): just do me a favor
Hootie2485 (2:03:21 AM): watch the Giants when you get a chance
Hootie2485 (2:03:25 AM): and watch how Eli plays
bfett81 (2:03:26 AM): i've seen them like 3 times
Hootie2485 (2:03:27 AM): you'll be impressed
bfett81 (2:03:31 AM): he's balls
Hootie2485 (2:03:39 AM): we'll remember this conversation in a year
Hootie2485 (2:03:41 AM): and you'll laugh
Hootie2485 (2:03:46 AM): because Eli is on his way
bfett81 (2:03:46 AM): lol
Hootie2485 (2:03:52 AM): he is WAY BETTER than Rivers
Hootie2485 (2:03:57 AM): probably even Roetlisberger
bfett81 (2:04:00 AM): dude no way
bfett81 (2:04:08 AM): rivers is not nearly as mistake prone
Hootie2485 (2:04:10 AM): JUST WATCH
bfett81 (2:04:11 AM): except against KC
bfett81 (2:04:16 AM): and roethlisberger is a BEAST
bfett81 (2:04:20 AM): eli can't touch big ben
bfett81 (2:04:24 AM): in talent or production
Hootie2485 (2:04:39 AM): Just wait
Hootie2485 (2:04:43 AM): Eli is going to be awesome
Hootie2485 (2:04:51 AM): that's a Rick Houtteman guarantee

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Short Leash Hootie

Eli Manning was a great, great QB this year and awesome.

Almost as awesome as he was in the postseason in 2007 when your Patriots went 18-1 and Thomas Brady played his worst game of the season in that 19th game...

but so funny you now compare Peyton's postseason shortcomings to Tom's as of late...

so you're saying a great QB can't win a title all by himself?!?! Sweet! That's what I've been saying for years!!

We all know that. At least, most of us know that. But Manning wasn't by himself. He had plenty of Pro Bowlers around him, especially on offense, but you can't see it because Manning's pubic hairs block your vision. Now we know it's not just Peyton, it's ANY Manning that you will gleefully deep throat. There's no explanation for it, it just is.


As for the rest of your rant, I'm not going to let you change topics to avoid how obviously stupid you're being in THIS thread. Frankly, if you're going to argue Eli = Roethlisberger and >>>> Rivers, then you've already done more than I ever could to prove that you've got some kind of weird obsession with the Mannings.

[Hootie]

And I like how you ignored the brady/Peyton, eli/rivers number game because you know how hypocritical that was...

Eli had like 7 come from behind 4th quarter wins this year too

Any expert would tell you who the better QB was this year...eli was a notch below brady, rodgers and brees in 2011

[listopencil]

Romo kinda sucks and Eli is decent. That's about it. Rivers had a really shitty year, but I'd still pick him over either one of those two if I needed a QB.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Short Leash Hootie

he is better than Rivers

plain and simple

him and Roethlisberger are different types of QB's, but in the same tier...probably 4A and 4B

Again, there's nothing that backs up either of these claims at all. Nothing other than your fantasties, at least.

[Hootie]

I bet you milkman would rank them...

Roethlisberger, eli, rivers as well

[Hootie]

Anyone who pops in here and says eli wasn't fantastic this year simply doesn't watch or understand football.

That's just fact.

[Hootie]

I've had a long, deep hatred for the patriots and tom brady but that doesn't mean I don't recognize how fantastic tom brady is...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Short Leash Hootie

it's a shame I have to go to work soon, I just want to again point out how hilarious it was for Amnorix to start throwing stats out on why Rivers is better than Eli, when 5 years ago he wouldn't listen to the stat argument regarding Peyton and Tom...

amazing Amnorix, simply amazing

Manning was a complete stat machine, partly because he had to be. Now that Brady has had to be a stat machine, and now that he has had great talent along with him at the WR positions, he has also become a stat machine. Time has proven that I was right all along.

You used stats to argue that Manning was CLEARLY MUCH BETTER than Brady. I pointed out that you were wrong. Brady with Moss/Welker and now Welker/Gronk has equalled or exceeded just about every single year record that Manning has.

Or do you still maintain that Manning is still obviously a greatly superior QB. Actually, no doubt you do. Whatever. This isn't worth revisiting. I have better things to do than this, to be honest.

[Hootie]

No, I've retired that debate. I think they are comparable and neither side of the debate is wrong. You've admitted that one great QB can't win super bowls himself so the whole brady has 3 rings argument is invalid.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Short Leash Hootie

And I like how you ignored the brady/Peyton, eli/rivers number game because you know how hypocritical that was...

Christ, do you not even realize that in calling me a hypocrite you're calling yourself one too you stunning dumbass? If I'm a hypocrite for ignoring stats then and using them now, then YOU are a hypocrit for using them then and ignoring them now. It's like arguing with a 5 year old...

Eli had like 7 come from behind 4th quarter wins this year too

Any expert would tell you who the better QB was this year...eli was a notch below brady, rodgers and brees in 2011

If by "notch", you mean "significantly less than those three ridiculous studs", then I'll agree with that.

He was 7th in QB rating, leading his team to only 9 wins in a relatively weak division, and they squeaked into the playoffs in a year when they had the pathetic NFC West on their schedule to help them win a measly 9 games and take their division crown.

This isn't really worth debating. He had a very solid year. Very solid. You will translate that into me saying he sucks. He doesn't suck. But you said he was turning into an AWESOME QB. He's not awesome. He's never inspired awed in any season of his life. Now that he's been playing for 7 years it's pretty clear he never will. He is a very good QB. That's it. No Hall of Famer. No MVP. None of that. Just "very good".

[Frazod]

So is it safe to say that Eli Manning has no weaknesses?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Short Leash Hootie

No, I've retired that debate. I think they are comparable and neither side of the debate is wrong. You've admitted that one great QB can't win super bowls himself so the whole brady has 3 rings argument is invalid.

Never in my entire ****ing life have I said that one QB can win a SB by himself. It's a team sport FFS.

Neither side of the debate is wrong? You were the fool arguing Peyton Manning >>>>>> Tom Brady you dumbass. The minute you said "comparable" was the minute you admitted that YOU were wrong. Thanks for finally conceding the point.

Enjoy your Eli-love. I actually posted in the other thread that I think the Giants have a real shot to beat the Packers. Not because Eli can hold a candle to Rodgers, of course, because he can't, but because the Giants have a real defense and the Packers don't.

And if the Patriots and Giants meet in the SB, again, then the same thing would apply there. The Patriots didn't beat the Rams in 2001 because Brady > Warner (at that time). They beat them because they had the better TEAM, and had some good luck.

[go bo]

Originally Posted by doomy3

This is a reeruned thread, and you are a reerun.

Also, you're and idiot.

no, no, no...

when are you n00bs gonna get it right?

its "your and idiot"...

[Hootie]

And some killer video tape...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by go bowe

no, no, no...

when are you n00bs gonna get it right?

its "your and idiot"...

This is one time when the lexicon really sucks, and I refuse to use it.